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re: Frick You Bill De Blasio.You are Fricking toast. Liberal Shitebag.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:04 am to bencoleman
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:04 am to bencoleman
The police were responding to calls from the area stores about Gardner's activities. N.Y has one of the highest taxes on cigarettes in the country & individuals selling individual cigarettes is a huge problem for stores that sell them. The store owners in the area had pointed him out specifically as an habitual offender & he was known to be extremely verbally abusive to store owners. He was not arbitrarily picked out by NYPD to harass. As the new shirts state: "breathe easy, don't break the law".
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:07 am to Keltic Tiger
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The police were responding to calls from the area stores about Gardner's activities
Do you have a link to something supporting that that isn't attributed to NYPD statements? Everything I've seen says the police were responding to call about a fight, a fight Garner allegedly helped break up, and a fight where the participants fled the scene as police started arriving.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:08 am to Lsupimp
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Any one of those cops would sell his firstborn to have that day back, I guarantee.
It's good that they feel this way. But it's of limited value. For comparison, a person who commits vehicular homicide while intoxicated will often also wish they could take it back. That doesn't change the nature of their actions. I'm not directly comparing the two, just pointing out that post event remorse isn't all that impressive.
And the post event remorse becomes really inconsequential when you have all the police apologists showing up to tell us all how Garner got what he deserved. We even have cop apologists telling us Tamir Rice got what he had coming to him.
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fanning the flames
Does rhetoric from the police or their unions count as fanning the flames of animus? Or does that just go one way?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:11 am to The Spleen
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what was he being arrested for?
He was being arrested because he was being accused of breaking a law and resisted arrest. Whether he actually was breaking a law would have been up to judge and jury, because America...
That law was instituted to PROTECT State and City Taxation collection, was originated by Democrats, and pushed and promoted by The Democratic Party. You and your trial lawyer buddies are the guys who gave us 80 cent loosies. Don't bitch about it now . If you have hundreds of unnecessary laws, there will be more lawbreakers.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:16 am to NC_Tigah
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Either you don't understand the term parsing, or you haven't read my posts.
Your posts about chest compression are spot on in the links you provided.
I don't want to conflate your statements with other's ITT so I'll have to review before I say anything else.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:16 am to Lsupimp
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He was being arrested because he was being accused of breaking a law
I get that's what the NYPD are saying, but the facts in the video don't really support that. I've searched a few times to see if they found any cigarettes on him, but haven't been able to find anything. I'm just trying to figure out why they started harassing him.
My guess is they suspected of him breaking the law based on their knowing him and knowing of his past, recent transgressions. I don't know if that warrants probable cause though.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:17 am to Lsupimp
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That law was instituted to PROTECT State and City Taxation collection, was originated by Democrats, and pushed and promoted by The Democratic Party. You and your trial lawyer buddies are the guys who gave us 80 cent loosies. Don't bitch about it now .
I'm Republican. I will continue to bitch.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:18 am to the808bass
quote:I agree.
It's good that they feel this way. But it's of limited value. For comparison, a person who commits vehicular homicide while intoxicated will often also wish they could take it back. That doesn't change the nature of their actions. I'm not directly comparing the two, just pointing out that post event remorse isn't all that impressive.
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And the post event remorse becomes really inconsequential when you have all the police apologists showing up to tell us all how Garner got what he deserved
Here is where you are dishonest and go off the rails. They don't think he "deserved" it. THEY THINK HE GOT WHAT THE LAW PRESCRIBES (obviously talking about arrest and not death). Surely you know the difference. And it's law that has the OVERWHELMING support of the same Democrats that are all aflutter.
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Does rhetoric from the police or their unions count as fanning the flames of animus? Or does that just go one way?
When thousands of pro-cop demonstrators take to burning businesses, assaulting and killing people in the streets, we will talk.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:52 am to Lsupimp
quote:Did I say anything non-factual? He tried to say "I can't breathe" before the chokehold was released but could only get out "I can't..." followed by some gargling noises. What isn't factual about that?
It looked excessive to about 97% of people that saw it. Of that there is NO doubt.
But let's not slam a guy for introducing the facts of that video. You can decide whether you think it is excessive force or not and I will join you, but let's not debate fact.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:54 am to Lsupimp
Well, I guess this is one public sector union whose support the republicans can depend on in 2016.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:58 am to member12
This thread is insane. How anyone could type up the OP is beyond me. The NYPD is out of control.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:01 pm to Lsupimp
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. THEY THINK HE GOT WHAT THE LAW PRESCRIBES
Well, the law has gone too far. Perhaps everyone should take a step back and consider that instead of just mindlessly bleating what the law says.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:01 pm to Lsupimp
quote:Which businesses were burned in NYC?
When thousands of pro-cop demonstrators take to burning businesses, assaulting and killing people in the streets, we will talk.
The protests in New York were overwhelmingly orderly and non-violent. The only serious incident I remember hearing about was when two officers tried to arrest the guy who threw the trash can and several people intervened and assaulted the officers in the process. But considering that tens of thousands of protesters marched on multiple dates over the span of several weeks, I'd say the NYC protesters, as a whole, did a pretty good job of being peaceful.
edit: to be clear, I don't count the cop-killer as part of the protesters, even if he was motivated by the Brown/Garner cases. He did not act as part of the organized protests and his actions should not reflect on the protesters who were overwhelmingly peaceful
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:05 pm to Lsupimp
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When thousands of pro-cop demonstrators take to burning businesses, assaulting and killing people in the streets, we will talk.
WTF are you talking about?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:06 pm to FourthQuarter
quote:I don't think it's out of control in general, but Pat Lynch and the police union are definitely out of control and insane.
The NYPD is out of control.
I have a lot of respect for the NYPD as a whole. I think that they do a pretty good job, even if they make mistakes sometimes. I do think that the officers who make serious mistakes should be held accountable, and that's one thing the NYPD could do better--holding itself accountable when it makes mistakes.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:28 pm to Hog on the Hill
Yes, it's the union that is out of control.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:16 pm to bencoleman
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Why were they arresting him for such a relatively minor offense? Why not issue him a summons?
This wasn't Mr. Garner's first rodeo. He was rather well known by local law enforcement and had a rather lengthy rap sheet.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:21 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
What does his rap sheet include?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:25 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Oh now you went and did it.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:33 pm to Volmanac
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What does his rap sheet include?
Selling tshirts without an official trademark on them. He just got tazed for that.
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