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re: Ever wonder why governments are pushing hard for electric vehicles?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:32 pm to billjamin
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:32 pm to billjamin
quote:I don't own an EV, but do work on computer networks. My guess is that each car has a unique identifier like a mac address. Each charging station is connected to the internet. Just like I can deny a mac address on my network, the unique identifier for a car can be denied on the charging station network.
170ish. But no one can disrupt my supply, price gouge me, etc. Gas cars are beholden to supply chains and refining. The only person who can disrupt my mobility is Elon Musk.
With a gas car you can store enough fuel in 5 gallon cans to go half way across the US. You cannot do that with electrons.
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:And apparently you don't like being called out for what you are.
You're a moron. Morons don't like it when they're made to look like morons.
quote:There are, but you aren't one of them.
You'd have an easier time if you'd accept that there are people who know what they're talking about.
quote:I simply used the charger you mentioned to me. The battery on your trailer doesn't move your trailer. Could you take the charger,battery and everything from the trailer with you in the EV? If not, then you're on a leash.
I have more than double that on my fricking travel trailer my dude.
Assuming you have double that, instead of taking 6 days to recharge the 25kWh, it will take you 3...
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:38 pm to RollTide71
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I don't own an EV, but do work on computer networks. My guess is that each car has a unique identifier like a mac address. Each charging station is connected to the internet. Just like I can deny a mac address on my network, the unique identifier for a car can be denied on the charging station network.
Possible, but it's never happened. Do you know what does happen? Law enforcement calling up OnStar to remotely disable vehicles. It happens every day.
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With a gas car you can store enough fuel in 5 gallon cans to go half way across the US. You cannot do that with electrons.
Yep, and then you're out. Until the government decides you can have more. I might be stuck close to home, but i'm not stuck at home without power or any mobility. Your access to gasoline is giving you a false sense of security.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:39 pm to RollTide71
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Assuming you have double that, instead of taking 6 days to recharge the 25kWh, it will take you 3...
Just FYI, the average residential solar setup in the US is around 8.5kW.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:45 pm to RollTide71
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And apparently you don't like being called out for what you are.
I couldn't care less. Your opinion of me doesn't change the fact that I'm correct.
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There are, but you aren't one of them.
This conversation has shown otherwise.
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I simply used the charger you mentioned to me.
I think you have me confused with someone else, sport.
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The battery on your trailer doesn't move your trailer
So fricking what. Power is power and math is math.
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If not, then you're on a leash.
Again, so fricking what.
I don't have a refinery in the back of my truck.
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Assuming you have double that, instead of taking 6 days to recharge the 25kWh, it will take you 3...
I have a 4,400 Watt array. What fricking math is telling you it would take three days to charge a 25kWh battery bank?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:46 pm to billjamin
quote:The average 2000 sq ft home uses about 30kW a day. 8,5kW wouldn't get you off the grid. It would take 3 days to charge enough to go 100 miles.
Just FYI, the average residential solar setup in the US is around 8.5kW.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:55 pm to RollTide71
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The average 2000 sq ft home uses about 30kW a day. 8,5kW wouldn't get you off the grid.
I was just using the average to illustrate that most systems are larger than the setups you're talking about. Off-grid systems are sized different than net metered systems. Most off-grid capable systems are 12kW+. Mine is 40kW with 52kWh of storage before we get into back-feeding from the EV.
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It would take 3 days to charge enough to go 100 miles.
Anyone serious about being self sufficient should properly size the system to be able ti supply their needs.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:What I'm reading is that a 4kW bank of solar panels will produce around 19kWh per day. Assuming you are living in the trailer, you will need some of those electrons for the day (if not most). Meaning you won't be able to use many of them to charge your EV. Still gonna take a couple days.
I have a 4,400 Watt array. What fricking math is telling you it would take three days to charge a 25kWh battery bank?
You were right about one thing, you were not the one who posted the charger. You are still a pompous arse though.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:58 pm to billjamin
quote:My point about the EV is that you are locked in to the democrat plantation and on a leash. When they come out with a tractor that I can get on at day light, work it till dark and then recharge in 15 minutes I will consider it. Until then I'll stick with diesel.
Anyone serious about being self sufficient should properly size the system to be able ti supply their needs.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:03 pm to RollTide71
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My point about the EV is that you are locked in to the democrat plantation and on a leash.
In a worst case scenario i'm stuck on my own plantation, which is actually a ranch. So, i'm fine with that.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:05 pm to billjamin
quote:How does that electric tractor work?
which is actually a ranch
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:06 pm to RollTide71
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What I'm reading is that a 4kW bank of solar panels will produce around 19kWh per day.
Yep, and I have 4,400 Watts, plus another 800 Watts of deployable panels if I ever need them.
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Assuming you are living in the trailer, you will need some of those electrons for the day (if not most). Meaning you won't be able to use many of them to charge your EV. Still gonna take a couple days.
I don't use everything in the trailer all day. I make a lot more power than I use.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:07 pm to RollTide71
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How does that electric tractor work?
I have no need for a tractor.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:How much more? Even if you only use a third of the 19kWh, you'd have 12.5 kWh left over. At 4 miles per kWh, you could go 50 miles a day.
I make a lot more power than I use.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:11 pm to Geekboy
It’s because they are owned by Chinese interests and China owns majority of rare earth mineral rights which are necessary to make Lithium ion batteries.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:11 pm to billjamin
quote:You live on a Ranch and have no need for a tractor? Is it the bunny ranch? I've got 109 acres (FAR from being a ranch) and I have a 70hp kubota with loader, 105hp kubota with loader, 60hp massey ferguson and several smaller tractors.
I have no need for a tractor.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:12 pm to Geekboy
The Chinese must have a high-value product to sell in masse to maintain their socialist security structure with the projected decrease in available man-hours in the not so distant future. They can't feed their aging population exporting bottle rockets, mardi gras beads, and knock-off leather-goods.
So the governments are either paid off to push EVs by the Chinese, or governments foresee a global catastrophe by having 500 million Chinese slowly starving to death and are trying to circumvent that.
So the governments are either paid off to push EVs by the Chinese, or governments foresee a global catastrophe by having 500 million Chinese slowly starving to death and are trying to circumvent that.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:14 pm to RollTide71
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You live on a Ranch and have no need for a tractor? Is it the bunny ranch? I've got 109 acres (FAR from being a ranch) and I have a 70hp kubota with loader, 105hp kubota with loader, 60hp massey ferguson and several smaller tractors
We have 22k acres total and zero tractors. Never needed one and neither have the previous 5 generations.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:15 pm to keks tadpole
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The Chinese must have a high-value product
This doesn't make sense once you understand the domestic content restrictions on EV subsidies.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:16 pm to RollTide71
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How much more? Even if you only use a third of the 19kWh, you'd have 12.5 kWh left over.
That depends on what we're doing and how much sun we're getting. If it's hot or we're doing laundry, we use more power. Yesterday was a nice temperature and we didn't need to do laundry. We used 2.7 kWh.
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At 4 miles per kWh, you could go 50 miles a day.
I don't drive every day, and rarely more than a few miles.
Are you starting to get the picture now? My biggest hurdle would be towing range. I'd need to be able to tow 20k lbs around 300 miles. There isn't an EV I'd want that will do that right now.
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