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re: Ever wonder why governments are pushing hard for electric vehicles?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:35 am to OldNo.7
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:35 am to OldNo.7
I can see that to a degree but they have been trying to force a lot of alternative energies since the 70s with minimal success.
Petrocarbons are the most efficient method of energy storage out there with regards to ease in unlocking it, either from the ground or once refined.
Hydrogen has a ton of energy but it takes a lot to crack it and create more since starting it AS hydrogen is dangerous as hell.
Solar suffers because collection tech and storage tech is horribly inefficient despite decades of research and huge investments.
Etc.
There would have to be a major energy revolution in order to make a lot of these alternatives feasible and cutting our use of petrochemicals isn’t going to jump start an alternative. Ye canna change the laws of physics, Jim!
Petrocarbons are the most efficient method of energy storage out there with regards to ease in unlocking it, either from the ground or once refined.
Hydrogen has a ton of energy but it takes a lot to crack it and create more since starting it AS hydrogen is dangerous as hell.
Solar suffers because collection tech and storage tech is horribly inefficient despite decades of research and huge investments.
Etc.
There would have to be a major energy revolution in order to make a lot of these alternatives feasible and cutting our use of petrochemicals isn’t going to jump start an alternative. Ye canna change the laws of physics, Jim!
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:41 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
quote:If you have the factual high ground, do you really need the personal attacks? An individual can purchase multiple 5 gallon cans of gasoline/diesel and carry that along with them. Lets say you are fed up with the democrat run cesspool and want to move from NYC to Nashville Tennessee, ~900 miles. If you get 20 mpg, you'll need 45 gallons of fuel. If the vehicle holds 18 gallons in its tank, then you'll need 30 additional gallons to be on the safe side. Not that hard to carry that fuel along with you. MUCH harder to carry those electrons.
The local pipeline storage facilities around the country still need electricity, moron. They can turn off electricity to a gas station, moron.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Please tell me of these.
the self-sufficiency of solar and EVs while strongly opposing the mandates being pushed.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:44 am to RollTide71
"These" what?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:45 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't have an EV because I tow 20k lbs around the country
Dude, traveling around the country with your wife doesn't count.
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:47 am to RollTide71
quote:
If you have the factual high ground, do you really need the personal attacks? An individual can purchase multiple 5 gallon cans of gasoline/diesel and carry that along with them. Lets say you are fed up with the democrat run cesspool and want to move from NYC to Nashville Tennessee, ~900 miles. If you get 20 mpg, you'll need 45 gallons of fuel. If the vehicle holds 18 gallons in its tank, then you'll need 30 additional gallons to be on the safe side. Not that hard to carry that fuel along with you. MUCH harder to carry those electrons.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:48 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:47 am to MemphisGuy
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:47 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Really? The benefits of the "self-sufficiency of solar and EVs" you speak? I see them as nothing but toys.
"These" what?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:49 am to RollTide71
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Really?
Yes, you quoted the portion of my post referencing mandates as well.
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The benefits of the "self-sufficiency of solar and EVs" you speak?
With solar, I can collect and store energy, so long as the government doesn't figure out how to turn off the sun.
I don't have a refinery on any of my properties.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:50 am to Geekboy
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It’s about being able to turn off electricity remotely. Can’t do that with gasoline.
I hear ya, but you can generate electricity yourself, you can't easily produce gasoline.
I have a little cabin in the woods that is powered by a solar panel. It does everything I need. I have a friend at a power company that was working on a micro generation project that offered small hydro generators for people with ponds. We have several ponds with good flow... maybe it's time to test it out.
They will probably require cars to connect to satellite to move, so even if you generate your own power, they will just disable your vehicle remotely anyway. And if you disable the uplink, the car will be programmed to do nothing.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:53 am to Geekboy
quote:So you think it would be easier and more politically acceptable to to shut down the entire electric grid than it would be to ban tanker trucks from delivering gasoline to service stations?
It’s about being able to turn off electricity remotely. Can’t do that with gasoline.
That's going to be hard no from me, dawg...
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:54 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:True. And I have 3 solar fence chargers on my farm to keep my cows from trying to pick thru the barbed wire fence. Which causes me extra work. But these charge a small 6 volt battery enough during sunny days to make it thru the night (if nothing has shorted out the fence). Gonna need a lot of solar panels to charge the battery in that car.
With solar, I can collect and store energy, so long as the government doesn't figure out how to turn off the sun.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:02 am to Warboo
quote:
At this point the govt can turn off most newer ICE vehicles as well if they wanted
Europe outlawing rebuilding classic vehicles
quote:
Lord, knows they all just wanna have total control
Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:02 am to RollTide71
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Gonna need a lot of solar panels to charge the battery in that car.
Hell, my travel trailer has level 2 charging.
I don’t own an EV because none currently fit my needs. I had an order for the electric Ram, but canceled it because we travel too much. I'm not some tree hugger who thinks I'm saving the environment. I drive a diesel F-350 because that's what I need.
I don't give one frick about climate change or green energy. I care about self-sufficiency. That's why I have systems for solar and water collection, etc.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:02 am to LSURussian
quote:I'd imagine that all of those charging stations are networked to the internet and able to be remotely turned on and off. Also, those electric cars likely have a unique identifier (mac address if you will) for use when they connect to the charger. Much like a computer network, the mac address for the car could be denied at all chargers fairly easily. It's not like one can fill up a few jugs with electrons for emergency use on the trip.
So you think it would be easier and more politically acceptable to to shut down the entire electric grid than it would be to ban tanker trucks from delivering gasoline to service stations?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:04 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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You can remotely turn off electricity to an oil refinery, dumb arse.
You can't possibly be this frick!ng stupid
Think of the consequences of shutting down a refinery vs shutting off specific individuals access to EV Chargers
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:04 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Couldn't care less about your level. If you need to charge a 100+KW battery from 20%, that a lot of solar panels..
Hell, my travel trailer has level 2 charging.
quote:These it is fine for. Just not gonna work for a vehicle.
I care about self-sufficiency. That's why I have systems for solar and water collection, etc.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:09 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Here is an estimate for a 100KW solar system for self-sufficiency. 100KW would allow you to heat/cool your home and charge the home battery system that you will need to use at night to charge your EV.
"If you are wondering how many panels are needed for a 100kw solar system – you can expect a solar energy system of that size to be around 400 panels. Each panel will measure 1 x 1.6 metres. Doing the math, this is going to mean considerable mounting space, roughly 640 square m2 of appropriate mounting space."
That's HUGE.
"If you are wondering how many panels are needed for a 100kw solar system – you can expect a solar energy system of that size to be around 400 panels. Each panel will measure 1 x 1.6 metres. Doing the math, this is going to mean considerable mounting space, roughly 640 square m2 of appropriate mounting space."
That's HUGE.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:10 am to RollTide71
quote:Sounds like an opportunity to apply Occam's Razor...
I'd imagine that all of those charging stations are networked to the internet and able to be remotely turned on and off. Also, those electric cars likely have a unique identifier (mac address if you will) for use when they connect to the charger. Much like a computer network, the mac address for the car could be denied at all chargers fairly easily.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:10 am to RollTide71
quote:
Couldn't care less about your level. If you need to charge a 100+KW battery from 20%, that a lot of solar panels..
Or time. We have 4400 Watts.
The only time we've used it was to help some idiot who got stuck out on BLM land in his Rivian. He brought a generator as backup, but no fuel.
quote:
These it is fine for. Just not gonna work for a vehicle.
Yes, it can. We have a 72 kWh battery bank in our trailer, and the panels on it are plenty.
...and that's on a travel trailer.
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