re: Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?

To those of you who cop out to not knowing or not understanding, maybe you should do some research, something those liberal professors never asked you to do::::::::

Samuel Adams: Father of the Amercian Revolution, signer of the Declaration of Independence ( DOI )

I recomend my soul to the Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for pardon of all my sins.

Charles Carrol signer of DOI:

On the mercy of my redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merrits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.

William Cushing: First associate justice appointed by George Washington to the Supreme Court.

Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind, after recommending my soul to the Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to earth.

John Dickinson signer of DOI:

Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country ENLIGHTENED BY THE GOSPEL and enjoying freedom, and for all His kindness, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

John Hancock signer of DOI:

I John Hancock,,, being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the morality of my body, and knowing it is appointed for all men to die ( Hebrews 9:27 ) do make and ordain this my last will and testament, Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it; and my body I recommend to the earth, nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God.

Patrick Henry: Governor of Virgina, Patriot.

This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Jesus Christ can give them one whch will make them rich indeed.

Benjamin Rush signer of DOI:

My only hope of salvation is the infinite transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively on it. Come, Lord Jesus ! Come quickly !

Roger Sherman: signer of the DOI and of the Constitution.

I believe there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, that the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God, that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay the foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so all may be saved who are willing to accept the gospel offer.

John Witherspoon: signer of the DOI.

I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [ Acts 4:12 ], If you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteosness, you must forever perish.


November 1, 1777, Proclamation- America seeks God in time of War:


FORASMUCH as it is the indispensable Duty of all Men to adore the superintending of Almighty God; to acknowledge with Gratitude their Obligation to Him for benefits received and to implore such farther Blessings as they stand in need of; And it having pleased Him in his abundant Mercy not only to continue to us the inumerable Bounties of His common PROVIDENCE, but also to SMILE UPON US in the Prosecution of a just and necessary War, for the Defence and Establishment of our unalienable Rights and Liberty; particularly in that He has been pleased in so great a Measure to prosper the Means used to Support our Troops and to crown our Arms with most signal success !

Thoms Jefferson: I concur with the author in considering the moral precepts of Jesus as more pure and correct and sublime than those of ancient philosophers.


These quotes by the Founders are endless, of course your atheist professors wouldn't point these out to you, nor the congress praying IN SESSION unceasingly. Nor the fact that the Founders were only against the ESTABLISHMENT OF AN OFFICIAL STATE RELIGION ( like the Church of England or Catholic church of Italy ) and not against religion in government, which the proof is in the pudding, THEY APPOINTED A CHAPLAIN AND PRAYED WHILST IN SESSION.


You can rewrite history, but you can't change the facts.

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Even though there is the obvious difference between the perfect Word of God vs. an imperfect man-made document designed for government, the parallels between Biblical concepts and principles and the Constitution are undeniable. Anyone who cant see that does not know both the Bible and the Constitution.

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Interestingly, for the vast majority of Christianity the bible has supported despotic gov and slavery but suddenly in 1789 it was in line with a mostly democratic form of gov except for blax.

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Interestingly, for the vast majority of Christianity the bible has supported despotic gov and slavery but suddenly in 1789 it was in line with a mostly democratic form of gov except for blax.

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No, because it wasn't.

One important thing absent from this discussion is the involvement of states rights. We always forget that we were originally formed as states with a limited federal authority, leaving much up to the states to dictate.

With that in mind, the constitutions of many state govts at and around the time contained very strong references, even requirements, having to do with Christianity. I won't create another wall of text, but can if anyone is interested.

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Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?

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The nation was formed from the uniting of Christian founded states.

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You realize that:

1 - the Constitution was for the states to reign in/limit the Fed, not the other way around
2 - the states can do whatever they want

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1 is true originally, 2 is false as of 1947 (in the case of religious establishment).

You see, like you say, the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states until (mostly) the 20th century.

The Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause set off incorporation of those rights against the states.

In 1947, Everson v. Board of Education incorporated the establishment clause against the states (and counties, municipalities and other local government).

Therefore, pre-1947, states were free to establish official religions. Some states did. Look up Massachusetts and Connecticut in the early part of our country's history.

Similarly, the individual right to own a gun wasn't incorporated until about 2011 (I think that was DC v Heller's date).

Some rights spelled out in the Constitution still only apply to the federal government, as they have yet to be incorporated by the courts. That includes the right to a grand jury in a criminal matter (see George Zimmerman in Florida, whose murder case did not go before a grand jury).

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Yet the states founding the government were.

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Christian ideals are not encompassed in the Constitution, or the by-laws of this nation. Some are based purely on Universal rights. But not Christianity

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What the heck are "universal rights?" I believe that is a modern phrase. The term the founders used was "natural rights" which do derive from christian political philosophy at least as far back as Aquinas.

That said, that hardly makes the US a "Christian Nation." More like a nation founded in ideas like freedom and rights. Those ideas have an origin in christian political thought, but are at least two steps removed.

And it would hardly be "pure christian" thought since it was highly influenced by the Greeks (and others).