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re: Do Republicans dislike the Civil Rights Act
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:04 pm to Pax Regis
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:04 pm to Pax Regis
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Generally the contempt for the civil rights act is the federal oversight of redistricting. This usually results in a state having to jump through nonsensical geographic hoops to carve or a district that will almost assuredly produce a minority representative. There are some crazy arse districts out there. Look at AL7 and tell me that aint some shite.
That's not the Civil Rights Act, that's the Voting Rights Act.
No one in generations has questioned the validity or necessity of the Civil Rights Act. At the time, there were two sources of opposition: 1) The Southern Manifesto wing, which opposed the Civil Rights Act on racist grounds, and 2) and the much smaller Libertarian wing, which was the argument put forward by Goldwater and William F. Buckley, that it was not the place of the federal government to intervene. Since the C.R.A. was signed into law, both of those wings, particularly the libertarian wing, gave up opposition quickly.
The Voting Rights Act is more complicated. The basic principles of the V.R.A. are that you can't unduly hinder people's right to vote. So you can't tell a black person that they can only vote if they can guess how many jellybeans are in a jar. That part of the V.R.A. is intact and in effect.
The part that was struck down by the Supreme Court was that there was a section putting sanctions on states and municipalities that had historically discriminated against voters. The sanctions were that you had to get pre-clearance from the Justice Department on matters such as redistricting, where your precinct locations were, etc. As those states and municipalities proved they would respect people's voting rights, they were supposed to be removed from the list, but that never happened due to a lack of political will. So the Court did it for them. And if people are attacking Sessions regarding the V.R.A., I suspect it's in regard to that section, and I think Sessions' position is defensible if all he says is that the section should have been properly maintained.
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:05 pm to volod
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volod
Based on recent threads I've read on the PoliBoard, I get the impression that you are racist, bigot, and have contempt for minority rights.
It's a rather disturbing pattern.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:06 pm to volod
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volod
Do you come here to do anything but post your racist remarks? Because you posted this without any supporting evidence, facts, etc... and then left and have not returned.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:12 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Certainly you agree that it's inane to project current party identities onto past identities in this fashion, no?
you should laugh when Democrats say that because they are the ones that had "y'all" in chains in the first place.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:13 pm to Phil2012
quote:Link?
Because almost all blacks from the Caribbeans
quote:Get back to me when koreans and Chinese were intentionally excluded from schooling, housing and jobs well into the 1970s/80s.
99% of koreans and Chinese thrive in this country
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Unless it involves reperations then fricking a right then it's all in time!
Certainly you agree that it's inane to project current party identities onto past identities in this fashion, no?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:22 pm to volod
quote:most don't, but I most certainly do
Do Republicans dislike the Civil Rights Act
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:28 pm to Jbird
quote:wut
Unless it involves reperations then fricking a right then it's all in time!
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:29 pm to volod
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volod
Starts a thread on how Trump, in his opinion, is attacking the CRA, gives no credible or factual evidence, and never comes back to the thread to validate his concerns nor answer questions.
Typical
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:37 pm to maine82
You are correct. I did get them confused.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:58 pm to volod
I'm down with the Civil Rights Act, accept for a few details regarding Title I.
I think you should have some form of identification when you go to vote... I don't think that this request is racist or decisive, I think it's necessary in running a fair race.
I think you should have some form of identification when you go to vote... I don't think that this request is racist or decisive, I think it's necessary in running a fair race.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:19 pm to volod
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Do Republicans dislike the Civil Rights Act
We were the ones who created the CRA with Eisenhower, but democrats blocked it. And for those waiting to say Rep. and Dem. switched in 1968, just go open a book. The GOP has always been better on this issue.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Get back to me when koreans and Chinese were intentionally excluded from schooling, housing and jobs well into the 1970s/80s.
If blacks were excluded from the above, as you claim, then how come the black community thrived exponentially better than they do today? Explain how in the 1950's/1960's the black family unit was of a much higher proportion than it is today. Explain how single parent households in that time period was much rarer than it was today.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:25 pm to BugAC
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If blacks were excluded from the above, as you claim, then how come the black community thrived exponentially better than they do today? Explain how in the 1950's/1960's the black family unit was of a much higher proportion than it is today. Explain how single parent households in that time period was much rarer than it was today.
Thomas Sowell has written extensively about this. He agrees with you.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:40 pm to volod
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Do Republicans dislike the Civil Rights Act
Parts of it are great and parts of it are terrible.
The bar on discrimination in doing business, hiring, and firing in public accommodations (practically any business open to the public) was a massive departure from what was accepted as being within the scope of the commerce power. It was a massive infringement on the rights of business owners. The question is whether this was justified and necessary then, and whether it still is now.
Few, if any, will object to the Civil Rights Act's destruction of state based discrimination, like Jim Crow, but wish it would have stopped there, and not:
A. trampled on the rights of business owners
B. created the rational used to justify Affirmative Action and government discrimination based on race, a complete reversal of its intended purpose and its constitutional basis (the 14th amendment).
Even those who think it went too far mostly agree that it was necessary at the time, but now see its heavy-handed treatment of businesses and its use of government race-based discrimination (now supposedly for the benefit of minorities) as no longer necessary or even harmful to ending racism and fostering equality.
Personally, I think that while it may have been necessary at the time, it absolutely went too far. The Civil Rights Act was, in many ways, a complete failure. Rather than ending race-based discrimination, it simply changed it, and entrenched it. Rather than making people more free, it took the freedom away from businesses, who at the time were REQUIRED to discriminate due to state and local laws. It's regulations on hiring/firing created the modern destructive HR culture which has contributed to the employment crisis for millennials. I think it is time to peal back the Civil Rights Act to its intended scope, give private businesses their freedom back (and consumers the freedom to tell racist business owners to go f&%k themselves if they choose to discriminate), and to end ALL discrimination by our government based on race.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:54 pm to Phil2012
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Why have both legal and illegal aliens thrived so much more than so many American born blacks in this country?
Because the social services system has decimated the black family with regulations that actually promote detrimental life choices.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:01 pm to Bard
You must be a racist! sarc this is what the stalkers on here try to pin on me for telling the truth...btw, I one debated David Duke...now that was big fun...guy was pretty smart, but with all folks has weak points and blind spots...he went and lined in Ukraine andgot his PhD in history...his masters was from LSU!
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Certainly you agree that it's inane to project current party identities onto past identities in this fashion, no?
Not at all. Has there been a subtle shift? Certainly. Has the Democrat platform on guns, progressivism turned off some formerly Democrat Southerners? Absolutely.
Do the parties essentially represent similar core principles as they did when Barry Goldwater faced LBJ? Yes. One side (yes, there are GOPe establishment folks who would sell their grandmothers for the right price) is grounded in principled conservatism (at least the rank and file is), and the other side is deeply motivated by Marxist principles (you can deny it, but denying it doesn't make it not so).
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:45 pm to rpg37
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The GOP has always been better on this issue.
As far as pursuing the objectives of general color blindness and equal treatment under the law? Absolutely.
As far as pandering and vote buying? Not so much.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 5:55 pm to BugAC
quote:I don't know how to explain non-sequiturs. I don't have a fetish for demonizing single parent households. All I know is that Koreans weren't threatened with bodily harm for simply showing up to vote. Students didn't fight the National Guard in the streets of campus to prevent taxpaying Koreans from signing up for university. etc.
If blacks were excluded from the above, as you claim, then how come the black community thrived exponentially better than they do today? Explain how in the 1950's/1960's the black family unit was of a much higher proportion than it is today. Explain how single parent households in that time period was much rarer than it was today.
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