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re: Deputy Attorney General: "Mueller can investigate any crime he finds"

Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:29 pm to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:29 pm to
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Yup. Remember how long the Clinton one went on for?


I member.
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16341 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:24 pm to
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So what crime are they investigating again?


Don't know yet. They are cooking a few up as we speak.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:28 pm to
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So what crime are they investigating again?


Don't know yet. They are cooking a few up as we speak.




So it is a fishing expedition...
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:32 pm to
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So what crime are they investigating again?
Posted by Rawdawgs
Member since Dec 2007
910 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:02 pm to
Misleading headline, less than 200 posts. Nice try troll.
Posted by Minnesota Tiger
Member since Oct 2005
4414 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:07 pm to
And? By your thinking, it is ok as long as Mueller
gets permission, right? Starr was backed by Clinton haters. Were you 12 during those years?

Get a fundamental grasp of the facts before reacting.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:13 pm to
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probe beyond the original investigation.


tax returns and business dealings are part of it

Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24169 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:43 am to
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Independent counsels should have an expiration date and shouldn't be allowed to expand the probe beyond the original investigation. Too much room for abuse of power.


What about when an independent council investigated Bill Clinton for Whitewater, but ended up looking into his sex life. Was that okay?
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:04 am to
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What about when an independent council investigated Bill Clinton for Whitewater, but ended up looking into his sex life. Was that okay?
In retrospect, no. But the Republicans had their own bloodlust at the time. It has come back to bite them.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57963 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:11 am to
He can investigate anything he wants. Now, being able to bring charges on anything he wants is a different matter.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123910 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:15 am to
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He can investigate anything he wants
No. He actually can't. He has to seek and follow Rosenstein's direction in that regard.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123910 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:17 am to
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What about when an independent council investigated Bill Clinton for Whitewater, but ended up looking into his sex life. Was that okay?
It was within the dictates of the INDEPENDENT Council Law.

Muller is neither an INDEPENDENT Council, nor is he working under the INDEPENDENT Council Law.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57963 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:18 am to
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No. He actually can't. He has to seek and follow Rosenstein's direction in that regard.


And Rosenstein just told him he can investigate anything he wants, so......
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:51 am to
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Independent counsels should have an expiration date and shouldn't be allowed to expand the probe beyond the original investigation. Too much room for abuse of power.


It's an investigation,searching for a crime,conducted by people that still won't accept an election lost 9 months ago.

The DOJ should be putting a stake in Clinton,Lynch,Rice,Comey,Obama,etc.,instead of this,open-face,federal coup against a sitting President.

It just shows me what anyone is up against when they go to Washington,D.C. and try to change things for the better of the voting populous.The Federal Government won't have it.

Posted by Quarterite
The Lower Quarter
Member since Oct 2016
959 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 7:57 am to
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"Mueller can investigate any crime he finds"


A precedent well-established by Republicans when their partisan investigation into an Arkansas real estate deal resulted in impeachment for lying about a White House blow job.

Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
10977 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:07 am to
CFR 600.4 noting applicable jurisdiction of Special Counsel
quote:

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.
(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.
Section of Rosenstein's letter establishing Special Counsel relative to CFR 600.4
quote:

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).


Comey's March 20, 2017 testimony before HPSC re: the FBI Investigation
quote:

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed. Because it is an open ongoing investigation and is classified, I cannot say more about what we are doing and whose conduct we are examining.


So, while noting the bolded sections above:
1. Rosenstein's "specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated" required by CFR 600.4 is notably light on both specifics and facts. However, it does reference Comey's 3/20/17 testimony.
2. Comey's 3/20/17 testimony, while referencing 'muh Russians', is at once far reaching and vague -at least to anyone who has a passing knowledge of the English language.

While noting the bolded/italicized section above:
1. This disclaimer presents what could reasonably construed as an endless horizon of reach.
2. Under that premise, there would never arise a condition whereby the Special Counsel would ever have to circle back to the DOJ for its imprimatur regarding any 'expansion' of the investigation because the scope is already virtually limitless.

All this may be the stupidest bunch of horse shite I've ever seen...

Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23183 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:16 am to
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. This disclaimer presents what could reasonably construed as an endless horizon of reach


Only if you ignore the most important word in the statement "directly"
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26995 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:28 am to
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So what crime are they investigating again?




You don't know.

That is what should Trump and all of his supporters asses pucker. This is how government works. I don't think Mueller has Twitter. He may have a MySpace page with only two friends including Tim.

Government doesn't talk. It just slowly probes and questions and collects. That's how it used to work. This day and age of "need muh news NOW" I don't know if it can work. But we will see. This will take months. They will have nothing OR they will have a shitload and people will start getting lawyers and resigning. The silence and all the time in the world that a government investigation has is always scary.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:32 am to
Fire Mueller and fire the Deputy AG.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:41 am to
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You don't know.

That is what should Trump and all of his supporters asses pucker


Lol.

You see literal Stazi tactics as a good thing.

You are the problem. You hate the constitution
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