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re: Defend the Position: What is the GOP's real issue with Climate Change

Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by dr smartass phd
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:17 pm to
1. Define the “correct” temperature range for the planet.

2. Define the “correct” humidity range for the planet.

3. Define the “correct” mean sea level for the planet.

4. Define the “correct” amount of precipitation for the planet.

5. Define the “correct” makeup of the atmosphere.

6. Define the “correct” amount of sea ice at the N/S poles.

7. Define/explain past glaciation and subsequent warming without any input from humans.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:18 pm to
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some folks don't know or want to remember what our country use to look and smell like.I'm no tree hugger,but I want a clean world for my grandchildren.

Where do you live?? The air and water are cleaner now than they were 100 years ago.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12506 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:23 pm to
Maybe because Republicans don't believe it's true. Plus Republicans are conservative with money . If Democrats would take money out of their one of their freebies programs to fund it the Republicans wouldn't mind as much . If Democrats really believed in climate change they would be willing to work with Republicans on climate change prevention cost.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10561 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:24 pm to
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1) Do you feel that environmental safety/Climate control is a lesser issue? If so why?


No, environmental safety isn't a "lesser" issue. I enjoy clean water and air. Now climate control? Lulz. I do not deny the climate is changing, it always has, always will. But at this point, there is no consensus on how much the effects of man are on climate, if removing carbon footprint will lower temperatures, and if so how much. Until there is any understanding of x tons of carbon = y degree temperature increase, I will not get on board with drastically increasing regulatory requirements.

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2) Do you think there is too much greed with this problem? How is this greed worse than other government endeavors (military, etc.)



Of course. Hence why Al Gore flies around on a private jet, drives large SUVs, and lives in a mansion. The dolt doesn't believe much of what he says, if any. It was a convenient way to expand governmental control, and a select few get extremely wealthy. Any "crisis" fronted by politicians is almost always derived from special interests and donors.

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3) What is the real political endgame the GOP are to reach? Is it to secure money for more pet projects?



No idea, I detest most of the GOP and almost all Democrats. They're almost all self-serving, unprincipled whores of the global wealthy elite. The Clintons are probably the best example ever presented to the American people.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 8:25 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:25 pm to
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The main right wing contention is that it's not man-made.

Did the climate change before the industrial revolution? What caused it then??
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:27 pm to
I don't want to pay to fix it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259906 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:28 pm to
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My personal theory is that weakening climate change i


How do you weaken climate change?
Posted by BlueDogTiger
Member since Jan 2014
1309 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:29 pm to
First, the reason the liberals changed from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" is because their effort was proven false by actual slow or decline of the warming.

Second, Contrary to media and DNC talking points the science is not proven or undisputed. Actually, the only agreed upon is the weather and events like storms, tornadoes, even the wildfires are driven by changes or patterns of the global water surface temperatures and the prevailing pressures that result. That is why the experts can predict where and when the hurricanes each season will be most plentiful.

Third, what role does the Federal Government have at all in dealing with the "Climate"? That should be left to the people and the corporations to deal with just like they have based on false propaganda the last decade. But if the end result is a social pressure on companies to behave in a manner that is environmentally safe the all the better and the conservative position has been proven without a single dime given to foreign government via PARIS or any other treaty.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3259 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:55 pm to
What poses a greater risk to human life on earth - global warming or an ice age?

I believe an ice age is a greater threat. How much cooling s necessary to tip us into an ice age? If a few degrees warming will melt th ice caps according to the climate change worriers, then a few degrees cooling may significantly increase ice/snow coverage. Then light is reflected instead of absorbed and cooling accelerates. I don't believe in taking a chance and I'll accept some warming to delay the next ice age.

That said, I think there has been much shenanigans on the part of global warming enthusiasts, so I don't trust that the problem is severe. It appears to be a political movement/religion instead of true science.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:59 pm to
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Implement new recycling systems nationwide along with better filtering technologies is the better answer.

"Answer" to what exactly??
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:06 pm to
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So in general, I'm a guy that can be convinced to get on board with the right solution,


Solution? What's the problem??
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:14 pm to
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I realize that most Republicans are supportive of defunding all of the environmental and climate initiatives of the past 20 years.


It's kind of soon to be digging up, "Republicans are against clean air and water" rhetoric, baw.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is a trace atmospheric gas that is REQUIRED to sustain life on this planet as we know it. If anything a little too little CO2 would be a much bigger problem than a little too much.

If you've been told otherwise, you've been lied to. Sorry.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26615 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:14 pm to
One word: freedom.

Regulating CO2 is about regulating people, not climate. Did you breathe today? Then you created CO2.

Did you drink a Coke? You just released CO2.

Did you drive, eat meat or dairy, use electricity, or use paper, plastic or metal?

The AGW crowd can trace everything you do back to CO2. By controlling CO2, they control you. frick them

I might give half a shite if EVERY single solution wasn't somehow tied to ceding more power to government or telling me how to live my life.

frick them.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
30262 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:15 pm to
I think we as a country need to “get our shite straight” financially and economically before we piss money away on climate change theories.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:18 pm to
This question is made with the assumption that manmade climate change is a fact and that the USA and a few other white countries can actually prevent this change.

I say this assertion is false
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22030 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:24 pm to
Putting excess CO2 and smog into the air.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:08 pm to

You sir, make a valid point.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19056 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:27 pm to
exactly.The reason our air and water are cleaner is because we cleaned it up.We no longer pump raw sewage into streams or fill the air with oil smoke from old vehicles.

What I'm talking about isn't about global warming,that's up for debate,but I grew up with pollution on local levels and it was bad.

we don't need to go back to what I saw as a kid.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:27 pm to
It's a Chinese hoax.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
30357 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:30 pm to
I think most are fed up with the useless subsidies and business crippling regulations that the climate change fear mongering has caused.

If the issue were approached from a "it's simply not right to pollute the air we breathe and water we drink" perspective, they'd get more people on board. This bullshite about being underwater in 100 years is a joke and anyone that can think for themselves knows it.
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