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Defend the Position: What is the GOP's real issue with Climate Change
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:17 pm
I realize that most Republicans are supportive of defunding all of the environmental and climate initiatives of the past 20 years.
I honestly want to know your opinion on these topics
1) Do you feel that environmental safety/Climate control is a lesser issue? If so why?
2) Do you think there is too much greed with this problem? How is this greed worse than other government endeavors (military, etc.)
3) What is the real political endgame the GOP are to reach? Is it to secure money for more pet projects?
Note: My personal theory is that weakening climate change is an attempt to give corporations more freedom with regards to health, sanitation, and disposal. A de-regulation scheme that will inevitably hurt the environment. It will benefit only the corporate donors and have a minimal economic impact on civilians.
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:20 pm to volod
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This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:20 pm to volod
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I realize that most Republicans are supportive of defunding all of the environmental and climate initiatives of the past 20 years.
Well at least you are coming from a place of rational objectivity.
Personally, I would like to know exactly what the problem is (without using hypothetical numbers to help the models).
Then I would like to know the ideal plan to help fix the problem. How long the fix will take. What the expected results of the fix will be and how much the fix will cost.
Then I would like to know what happens if nothing is done. Specifics.
Then I would like to know alternatives. Results. And costs.
You know the same things anyone should want before making expenditures.
What is it you have against that?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:21 pm to volod
The climate is a liberal myth. You really think there's some bubble around the earth holding the air in?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:22 pm to volod
it's racist
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:22 pm to volod
some folks don't know or want to remember what our country use to look and smell like.I'm no tree hugger,but I want a clean world for my grandchildren.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:23 pm to volod
We are but a blip on the Earth's radar. To think we have done anything, and can change anything is extremely arrogant as a species.
And it's a money grab.
And it's a money grab.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:23 pm to volod
quote:I prefer to think of it as "Temperature Diversity"
Climate Change
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:25 pm to volod
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:25 pm to volod
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1) Do you feel that environmental safety/Climate control is a lesser issue? If so why?
Yes. Because the earth is gonna do its own thing. Not to mention regulations cost money to implement, and developing countries aren't going to cut their emissions, so it's just pissing in the wind and lighting cash on fire.
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2) Do you think there is too much greed with this problem? How is this greed worse than other government endeavors
Fearmongering isn't new. Greed isn't new. So this isn't an issue to Me
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3) What is the real political endgame the GOP are to reach? Is it to secure money for more pet projects?
What does this have to do with climate change?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:25 pm to volod
The main right wing contention is that it's not man-made.
Also the money involved in proving that it is. That's a big issue.
Also the money involved in proving that it is. That's a big issue.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:27 pm to volod
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1) Do you feel that environmental safety/Climate control is a lesser issue? If so why?
Yes. I believe the Earth cools and warms due to a variety of factors. I don't think humans contribute to it as much as they want you to believe.
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2) Do you think there is too much greed with this problem?
100% yes
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3) What is the real political endgame the GOP are to reach?
Stop moronic things like the Paris Accord
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:28 pm to volod
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What is the GOP's real issue with Climate Change
1. cost (and its negative effects on the economy)
2. international wealth redistribution (which liberals love to lie about)
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:29 pm to volod
I believe there’s a middle ground to appease both sides, but the left went off the deep end like they do with everything.
We can produce what we need in a cleaner way without strangling industries. This planet has endured natural toxins worse than what man made toxins could ever produce
We can produce what we need in a cleaner way without strangling industries. This planet has endured natural toxins worse than what man made toxins could ever produce
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:30 pm to Venelar
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We are but a blip on the Earth's radar. To think we have done anything, and can change anything is extremely arrogant as a species.
It's impossible to control the temp of your house to an exact degree, yet these people are putting out projections and goals for the Earth.
It's fricking laughable
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:31 pm to volod
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I realize that most Republicans are supportive of defunding all of the environmental and climate initiatives of the past 20 years.
Wrong. This is a global economy. Restrictions ought to be close to the same for everyone. If the restrictions are super expensive here, then U.S. companies are at a disadvantage economically.
There are many many many more programs tied to climate change. Of course, most were started back when it was called "global warming". You know... carbon pollution and greenhouse gases causing the earths temp to rise, ice caps melting, sea level rises, etc..etc... etc.. There are a few hundred thousand papers on this on the internet. Gore even made a movie about it. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that the earth is warming at all and it may be cooling.
Not sure why we need a bunch of initiatives when we don't even know if there is a problem and if the problem is actually man made.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:33 pm to volod
It's a fricking lie being used to steal money from the American taxpayer!
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:34 pm to Clark14
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some folks don't know or want to remember what our country use to look and smell like.I'm no tree hugger,but I want a clean world for my grandchildren.
Sure, we all want clean air and water. But that isn't related to the current climate change hysteria. At all. You don't get to float every single thing related to the environment under the single "Climate Change" banner and say that some carbon credit scheme will somehow magically address it.
That's the fraud I have issue with, not merely regulating pollution of the air and water. We should and do regulate that, its good for business.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:34 pm to volod
The better question is why “leadership” from both sides of the aisle can take a situation which we should all be able to unify behind, a bright future for our children/grandchildren, and use it to divide us. Why can we not come together as we endeavor to develope cleaner and more effecient technology which will not only be better for the environment but will also guarantee future prosperity. Does anyone envision the year 2525 and see smokestacks and landfills? This is actually an issue where we all have common ground and each platform can bring something useful to the table. The problem is our elected stooges have more power when we are divided so here we are.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:35 pm to BBONDS25
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Well at least you are coming from a place of rational objectivity.
I cant tell if you are being sarcastic.
I honestly do want to be objective. I will be the first to admit I am not completely well-versed in climate change.
Create the plan like you propose would be the best solution. If the DEM do not have one, the backlash against them is deserved. Real objectives and Real consequences need to be addressed.
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