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re: Chris Matthews: Democrats' Dilemma If Rand Faces Hillary In 2016
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This shows how far you are out of touch. She would get destroyed. A very small percentage of Americans are as liberal as her.
Pundits alike on CNN, Fox and MSNBC all agree this country is still center right.
It doesn't need to be said a lot that this country will always run the frick away from extreme liberalism in the form of Elizabeth warren. The same goes for extreme conservatism and Rick santorum.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:14 am to HempHead
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Who would win in a Santorum v Warren race?
Nobody.
We'd be fricked either way. I'm shuddering right now at a nightmare matchup like that.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:15 am to HempHead
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Who would win in a Santorum v Warren race?
The froth versus the ug?
No one wins that.
I really think the people pushing Warren forget how shallow the public is. She looks old and she's more than a bit homely. There's only so much lighting and makeup can fix. And she's not in that fixable spectrum.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:15 am to Sentrius
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It doesn't need to be said a lot that this country will always run the frick away from extreme liberalism in the form of Elizabeth warren. The same goes for extreme conservatism and Rick santorum.
DS is actually so far left he's lost sight of center. Warren and Santorum are caricatures.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:16 am to Sentrius
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The same goes for extreme conservatism and Rick santorum.
Santorum make Huckabee look like a rational person. And I hate Huckabee. Santorum is a leaving, breathing personification of all that is wrong with the Republican Party. I say that as a conservative Evangelical.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:23 am to Sentrius
Serious question: If the D's run with Warren, would the R's select Rand Paul or run with a much more conservative candidate?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:26 am to mmcgrath
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Serious question: If the D's run with Warren, would the R's select Rand Paul or run with a much more conservative candidate?
I don't think it would happen, and am still worried about Rand becoming friendly with the establishment.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:26 am to mmcgrath
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Serious question: If the D's run with Warren, would the R's select Rand Paul or run with a much more conservative candidate?
If the Dems run Warren, I don't think it matters who the Republicans run (Within certain boundaries, of course).
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:50 am to the808bass
quote:I think the R's would lose if they went with a Gingrich type. The safe bet for them would be Romney if Warren runs. That could be closer then one would think depending on the campaign / running mates.
If the Dems run Warren, I don't think it matters who the Republicans run (Within certain boundaries, of course).
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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DS is actually so far left he's lost sight of center
well that's not really so different than most here just in the other direction
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
I have a feeling Cuomo is going to jump into this race. He has the liberal credentials and access to big donors.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:03 am to TOKEN
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Cuomo
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:What about Biden or Brian Schweitzer?
Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Biden
would be fun, but no
quote:
Brian Schweitzer
betterish
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't think it would happen, and am still worried about Rand becoming friendly with the establishment.
It's called politics. Why else is he risking his brand on someone like McConnell in Kentucky? He is expanding his credibility and influence across the party. I don't want him to be a strict libertarian with no real national security strategy. I know many people don't want America on the world stage influencing events but that's what a good president does.
Obama is a reactionary president on foreign policy. Then we almost dropped bombs on Assad which would have only helped ISIS. Sunni extremism is the real threat.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:46 am to trackfan
If HRC runs she'll be the D nominee and probably our next President. I doubt Rand can win as the R nominee, but if he does Hillary will beat him. A more moderate R would give her a tighter race.
If HRC doesn't run, I'm not sure Warren will but O'Malley and Cuomo will, plus many more.
If HRC doesn't run, I'm not sure Warren will but O'Malley and Cuomo will, plus many more.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 3:11 am to wfeliciana
quote:Moderate R's have been nominated since 1988 and have largely failed. I think Rand is a very important player if the republican party is to move forward and "modernize". He is to the left of Hillary on drugs, foreign policy, police, and civil liberties. Sorry wfel, but I think you are absolutely wrong when you say the republicans need to trust the moderate establishment. Moderation does not win elections, bold ideas do. The democrats are much bolder than republicans when it comes to ideas, and it sells to the voters.
I doubt Rand can win as the R nominee, but if he does Hillary will beat him. A more moderate R would give her a tighter race.
Rand has a clear ideology that people can trust, unlike Romney and McCain who were not even genuine conservatives.
Like I said, people that voted for Kerry because they did not like the patriotic act and the iraq war, but then decide to vote for Clinton in 2016 against Rand, are huge hypocrites. Rand is addressing issues that are important right now- surveillance, drug laws, police. Hillary represents the status quo on all of those issues.
Hillary will do well with hardcore democrats who are old (like yourself, wfel), but she offers nothing for young folks, people worried about militarization, and folks concerned about the drug war.
And she has a tin ear. She has made some pretty bad mistakes the past few months.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 3:16 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 4:11 am to wfeliciana
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If HRC runs she'll be the D nominee and probably our next President. I doubt Rand can win as the R nominee, but if he does Hillary will beat him. A more moderate R would give her a tighter race.
In a lot of ways, Rand is a moderate R. In which ways should he be moderate, iyo?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 4:45 am to Stingray
I'm to the point where I am looking at a candidate's character over their stance on issues. I want someone who cares more about the USA than their own political career.
I think Warren is someone who cares deeply about our country, and to a lesser extent Paul is as well.
I would be very pleased to see a match up between these two.
I think Warren is someone who cares deeply about our country, and to a lesser extent Paul is as well.
I would be very pleased to see a match up between these two.
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