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Posted on 8/26/14 at 4:54 am to BobRoss
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I'm to the point where I am looking at a candidate's character over their stance on issues.
Character is very important, with that being said:
Posted on 8/26/14 at 5:03 am to Vols&Shaft83
I'm not saying I agree with all her policies, and the thought of her being forced to make military decisions is scary.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 5:13 am to BobRoss
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I'm not saying I agree with all her policies, and the thought of her being forced to make military decisions is scary.
Her policies are pure shite. That meme was calling her character into question.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 6:31 am to trackfan
Might not be that hard for him. He's a notorious misogynist so Hillary (or even Fauxcahontas) would never get his vote.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:50 am to Sentrius
Actually wouldn't mind Paul as president but he has zero chance at the nomination. He suffers what Democrats have suffered in national elections and that's a perception of weak on defense. After the 80s, Dems started attempting to cure this Achilles Heel with saber rattling and wars. Clinton with Kosovo and attacks on Iraq. Senators hoping to be president voting for the Iraq War (check the votes, House Dems voted against it as did most of Dems in the Senate without nation ambition. Then we have Obama with Afganistan, drones, Libya.
But the rep primary voters are a lot more hawkish than the. General electorate. Paul has as much chance of winning the nomination as Mondale and Dukakis had of winning the presidency. Well actually less chance for the above reason.
But the rep primary voters are a lot more hawkish than the. General electorate. Paul has as much chance of winning the nomination as Mondale and Dukakis had of winning the presidency. Well actually less chance for the above reason.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:55 am to trackfan
I have a feeling Rand would beat Hillary
she wont be able to distance herself from Obama as well as she hopes and millenials and others who voted for "change" are really pissed about NSA, etc.
Rand would scoop those votes up
she wont be able to distance herself from Obama as well as she hopes and millenials and others who voted for "change" are really pissed about NSA, etc.
Rand would scoop those votes up
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:02 am to Sentrius
Warren has no shot. She's a terrible campaigner, appears weak and just won't win. She's like the flaky version of Hillary.
The Dems who could beat her are Mark Warren, Joe Manchin and possibly Brian Scweitzer. All are likeable and Hillary isn't plus Dems, unlike Reps, tend to look for new blood.
The Dems who could beat her are Mark Warren, Joe Manchin and possibly Brian Scweitzer. All are likeable and Hillary isn't plus Dems, unlike Reps, tend to look for new blood.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:09 am to Pilot Tiger
Rand could beat Hillary but he can't get the nomination. It's too entrenched with establishment candidates.
What he could do would be run as a 3rd party candidate early on rather than last minute. Establish grass roots. I'm sure he's polling his chances both ways -rep primaries vs 3rd party. Wouldn't surprise me if he went Indy and I think he'd make a race out of it. Maybe choose an Indy for VP. Businessman maybe.
What he could do would be run as a 3rd party candidate early on rather than last minute. Establish grass roots. I'm sure he's polling his chances both ways -rep primaries vs 3rd party. Wouldn't surprise me if he went Indy and I think he'd make a race out of it. Maybe choose an Indy for VP. Businessman maybe.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:48 am to Vegas Bengal
One possible path for Rand to the White House hinges on Hillary not having any real competition and wrapping things up early. Under that scenario, Rand could pull a Thad Cochran and get Democrats to perticpate in the Republican primaries. Remember Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos when he convinced Republicans to register as Democrats in order to make mischief in the Democratic primaries.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:30 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Hillary will do well with hardcore democrats who are old (like yourself, wfel), but she offers nothing for young folks, people worried about militarization, and folks concerned about the drug war.
Those you mention are not single issue voters. The D Left doesn't like HRC but they like those you mention above will vote for her if she is the nominee. Plus do not overlook the draw of electing the first woman president. But then again, she may not run and if she doesn't it is wide open for the Ds.
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Rand has a clear ideology that people can trust, unlike Romney and McCain who were not even genuine conservatives.
Rand has never been in a national election-he is going to have to withstand being defined by (whether they are absolutely true or not) being anti VRA, an isolationist, no friend of Israel, etc. He'll have a very difficult time getting the nomination let alone winning a national election. Don't get me wrong he adds a dimension to the Rs that they sorely need, but he is too different from the current base to win the nomination. Rs surely won't win with a Perry but they might with a moderate. Look at the polling the moderates always run tighter against the D candidate. Now, all of this is based on the current political landscape-a lot can happen in 2 years.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:55 am to trackfan
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unlike most elections in which at least one of the candidates is a triangulater and compromiser, if not both of them.
While I agree with your statement, vicerally, I'm trying to pinpoint actual "true believers" who've led a major party ticket in the past 50 years (i.e., post JFK).
Obama? W? Gore? Mondale? Reagan? Carter? McGovern? Humphrey? Goldwater? If all of these are, then you have 1 in every race, except HW versus Clinton. And a number of TBs v. TBs (W v. Gore, Reagan v. Mondale, Reagan v. Carter)
Certainly not LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Dukakis, HW, Clinton, Dole, Kerry, McCain or Romney.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:00 pm to wfeliciana
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Rs surely won't win with a Perry but they might with a moderate.
Poppycock.
Romney, McCain, Dole, HW, Ford - 5 moderates, 6 elections, a 1-5 record.
Reagan & W? 4-0.
The wrong candidate cannot win, regardless of his stance as moderate or conservative. The right conservative is almost unbeatable (for a couple of more elections, anyway.)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
There is no a single issue where Reagan was to the right of any of those "moderates".
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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Rs surely won't win with a Perry but they might with a moderate.
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Poppycock.
All I can say is that the Ds mouths will be watering if Perry is nominated.
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