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re: Cheney unprecedented attack on Obama---really strong criticism of President

Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:43 am to
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31633 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:43 am to
They aren't the ones calling Obama out, hack.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9800 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:53 am to
quote:

Obama never got one deferremnt, much less five

Wow.

Thought I read where barry received a military deferment so he could complete middle school.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35374 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:59 am to
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Sure.continue to give a pass to the overwhelming Democrat support and FUNDING for Iraq.
I don't give a pass at all. Before we went in I thought that the stories of buried chemical labs and everything else was bs. But a lot of people who were pretty liberal bought into the idea that the admin wouldn't just lie about stuff like that and believed it in spite of their natural tendencies against Bush.

Tell me, who is the party most responsible for getting us into Iraq? Can you not say that it is 90% The Bush administration?
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39730 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:02 am to
Absurd. They wouldn't have been there without almost full dem support and FUNDING.

President Clinton was also 100% certain they had chemical weapons.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39730 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:03 am to
I love how for 8 years we heard how stupid Bush was yet he was somehow able to pull the wool over the eyes of the House & Senate along with all worldwide coalition members.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35374 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:07 am to
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Absurd. They wouldn't have been there without almost full dem support and FUNDING.
We were bombing the heck out of it for a while before he went to Congress. Congress was lied to. Finally, the "funding" part was a bit questionable as well, no?
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:11 am to
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Absurd. They wouldn't have been there without almost full dem support and FUNDING.

FYI, the majority of Democrats in Congress voted against the Iraq War, and I have no idea what you mean by "funding". The true patriots are those Senators and Congrssmen who voted against the Iraq War, especially the Republicans who broke rank with their party to vote against it.

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President Clinton was also 100% certain they had chemical weapons.

I couldn't care less what Clinton or anyone else thought, I only care what they did. For the record, I thought Saddam had chemical weapons since I knew we have given them to him and I was still oppoised to the Iraq War.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9800 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:11 am to
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President Clinton

Clinton is the go-to guy for Sudanese aspirin factory bombing raids.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:15 am to
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Are you kidding me? Your point, at least I assume it was your point, was that Obama, to his credit, never sought a deferment. I pointed out that there was nothing for him to seek deferment from.

Do you not understand?

Yes I understand, but the fact still remains that Obama never sought a deferrment, and Cheney did five times. We can speculate on what Obama would have done if he were 15 years older, but he's not.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:15 am to
Wait, wasnt the gop and Romney critical of Obama during the last election for NOT getting our people out of Iraq and Afghanistan faster?

Which is it?
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 11:17 am
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:22 am to
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but the fact still remains that Obama never sought a deferrment

Track, if you want to credit Obama for not doing something he could not have done in any case, then fine.

For future use:

Obama didn't shoot one Indian at Little Big Horn.

Obama never put on women's clothing and snuck onto a lifeboat as the Titanic was going down.

Obama had nothing to do with fixing the 1919 world series.




Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Obama had nothing to do with fixing the 1919 world series.


Are you sure? Not what I am hearing.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34622 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:40 am to
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"Lion of the Senate", Ted Kennedy conspired with the USSR against Reagan.



shite wrapped in skin.
Posted by joeytiger
Muh Mom's House
Member since Jul 2012
6037 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:46 am to
List of Failures:
Fast & Furious
Green Energy Initiative
Obamacare
Entitlement Reform
Immigration Reform
Libya
Iraq
Benghazi
IRS targeting
XL Pipeline
Job creation
Middle Class mobility

Accomplishments:
lowered handicap on the golf course
first "cool" president
Got daughter a job in Hollywood

Let me know if I missed anything.
Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4280 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:01 pm to
frick Cheney. He was a tremendous part of what was wrong with our last administration. frick him.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
24257 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

In 1983, President Ronald Reagan said, "If history teaches anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. It means the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom." President Obama is on track to securing his legacy as the man who betrayed our past and squandered our freedom.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7178 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:11 pm to
I read that this morning and agree with much of it. However, I found this quote startling:

"Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many."

One could easily apply this line to the decision to invade Iraq.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:41 pm to
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I am not chiming in to join the argument for/against the validity of Mr. Cheney's remarks. However, I do want to illuminate the fact that this thread is five pages long and there has yet to be anything of substance regarding why Mr. Cheney is wrong.

Both democrats and republicans spend so much time trying to one up each other that they fail to convert anyone to their line of thinking. Ultimately, this type of fighting leaves no side farther ahead than when they began fighting.


Good points. Basically the poli board is tigerdroppings's way of showingcasing its version of Sunni and Shia. No time for substance when beheading is the goal.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34878 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 5:45 pm to
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For the record, I thought Saddam had chemical weapons since I knew we have given them to him and I was still oppoised to the Iraq War.


Well, some honesty stands out from a bunch of sanctimonious Monday Morning Q-back critics!

I think most every body in the whole damn world was on board with removing Hussein. We all believed he held WMDs, because the pictures of those Kurds holding their babies while choking on their own vomit proved it. And it proved how ruthless Saddam was. And we knew how much he hated us for literally pulling down his pants and spanking him in front of the whole ME. He hated the US with a passion.

And it proved just how committed we were to payback...if challenged. Hell, Qudaffi gave us his nuclear tech when he saw Saddam dragged out of that hole by Marines. Now that is the kind of action that this country is lauded for, and why this World is a better place.

But this thread stinks to high heaven; because it don't change the fact that Bush, Cheney, the Dems, the Clintons and all of us were in for the removal of Saddam (minus Trackfan, and the Doves ). We did that in a couple of weeks.

It's when the compassionate Nation-building began - in hopes that that new Democracy would stand in between Iran and throw a wrench in the whole Islamist hegemony, that it all went bad. The 'rules of engagement' were f'n insane, and a bridge too far. Still, in hindsight, it was a decent bet...and a valiant effort by our forces. Now...we know it's folly to spend money or blood creating Democracy in a Muslim Nation.

You critics of the whole Iraq War, act like you or even Cheney, knew then what you know now; and base current criticism on current knowledge. Fallacious! But more so hurtful to them that fought that war, for good reason. It creates doubt in their minds, and demeans the value of their service and sacrifice. Service rendered to benefit both the good Iraqis, and us, and the whole world. Dick Cheney don't give a crap what fallacious argument/criticism is heaped on him. Nor does anybody who clearly sees the Truth.

Good grief!
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42532 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 6:02 pm to
Well said, sire
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