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re: Cheney unprecedented attack on Obama---really strong criticism of President
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:48 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:48 am to Pettifogger
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I like Cheney, but I really don't need to hear anymore of his thoughts on foreign policy. Neoconservative world-shaping kicked this show off, and spineless incompetence has kept it going.
Cheney is talking about the "spineless incompetence."
Brit Hume basically said that Obama had this idea that if the U.S. lessened its footprint on the world that things would get better. He added that he wanted this to be true but the fact is that it is not true at all and we are now in a worse position.
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:49 am to trackfan
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You're obviously unfamiliar with Carter's background before he entered politics, becasue if you were you'd know that he's arguably smartest President we've had since WWII.
No, that would be Richard Nixon.
I based my appraisal of Jimmah on his job performance in the WH and afterwards. Think anyone in Pyongyang thinks Jimmah to be sharp? How about Tehran?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:50 am to redandright
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Oh yeah, he's a nuclear engineer.
Which makes him perfect presidential materiel.
Non sequitur. I was only responding to the claim that he wasn't sharp. We can debate his effectiveness as a President but his intelligence is beyond debate, lest you think any idiot can design nuclear propulsio9n systems for submarines. Cheney on the other hand, flunked out of Yale not once but twice. The Ivy League has dominated the upper echelons of our government in recent history, but Cheney has the distinction of being the only Ivy League reject among them. W, Gore and Kerry may have been average Ivy Leaguers but at least none of them flunked out.
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One only need look at his disaster of a tenure to see he was not up to the job.
I diagree.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:50 am to Bard
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m torn on this. On the one hand I hate that all the hard work our men and women have done there has gone to utter shite, especially from so little effort (the Iraqi military far outnumbered the ISIS folks, apparently many were just there for the paycheck).
On the other hand, we gave them all the tools to stand up on their own. We can't be holding their hands forever. If you want freedom badly enough, you fricking fight for it. Along with this point, I am so incredibly tired of the world counting on us to not only be the World Police (America, frick YEAH!) but also because those that we help often end up depending on us to keep propping them up.
Sometimes I feel like our leaders suffer from battered spouse syndrome on this. We do everything we can to make the other side better, but eventually they shite on us. Yet we still want to keep going back because maybe one day... ONE DAY... things will be good again.
Our leaders need a fricking intervention.
But that's just it, we came close to giving them everything they needed but Obama made sure the job was not finished. I'll use WWII as an metaphor that perhaps will help you understand....
Let's say that it's the summer of 1944. In June the Normandy landings took place. In the last week of August we took back Paris. Now imagine that right after this instead of pushing on and seeing the war through to the end, instead we declare the war is now over and in September of 1944 we withdraw all our troops an tell the French "good luck". Meanwhile the German army which was on the verge of collapse has now moved back to it's on frontier defenses in the Siegfried line and where it can catch it's breath and get ready to go back on the offensive shortly.
Basically that's what Obama did in Iraq a couple years ago.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:51 am to Scruffy
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I wouldn't give him credit for this one. He wanted to get involved. If anyone deserves credit, it is the American people for coming out against the idea so vehemently.
I agree with this.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:52 am to I B Freeman
You think this is bad, wait until Obama is an ex - President.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:52 am to Samso
I am not chiming in to join the argument for/against the validity of Mr. Cheney's remarks. However, I do want to illuminate the fact that this thread is five pages long and there has yet to be anything of substance regarding why Mr. Cheney is wrong.
Both democrats and republicans spend so much time trying to one up each other that they fail to convert anyone to their line of thinking. Ultimately, this type of fighting leaves no side farther ahead than when they began fighting.
Both democrats and republicans spend so much time trying to one up each other that they fail to convert anyone to their line of thinking. Ultimately, this type of fighting leaves no side farther ahead than when they began fighting.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:53 am to trackfan
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history, but Cheney has the distinction of being the only Ivy League reject among them
Makes you wonder how he ever fed his children. Lots of Ivy League fools to chose from if that's how you describe competence.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:54 am to Darth_Vader
Stop trying to compare this to WWII. It doesn't work.
There is no centralized governing body to these individuals. There is no possibility of a peace treaty or cease fire. This isn't country vs country. There are no borders.
There is no out to this situation that doesn't lead to a civil war. I don't understand how y'all don't see that.
There is no centralized governing body to these individuals. There is no possibility of a peace treaty or cease fire. This isn't country vs country. There are no borders.
There is no out to this situation that doesn't lead to a civil war. I don't understand how y'all don't see that.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:55 am to Paluka
quote:Cheney would know about this, was it 5 war deferments he had?
spineless
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:55 am to TT9
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Biden isn't fat and bald,
Biden is balder than Cheney (minus the strategic hair plugs) and Cheney is not fat by any definition of the term.
BUT - I thought the issue of the thread was about pols being chicken-shite, not about their appearance.
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shite try though.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:56 am to Jcorye1
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Cheney shouldn't be allowed to hate on anyone, dude is a fricking creep.
and you can't give us one substantive reason why.Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:58 am to udtiger
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You think this is bad, wait until Obama is an ex - President.
Instead of taking a step back like everyone before him, he'll be the highest paid lobbyist in DC. Book it
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:59 am to Jay Quest
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No, that would be Richard Nixon.
Nixon is up there too. My guess is that Carter and Nixon and rank 1-2 or 2-1 in an IQ test.
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I based my appraisal of Jimmah on his job performance in the WH and afterwards.
But I was responding to a comment about his intelligence.
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Think anyone in Pyongyang thinks Jimmah to be sharp? How about Tehran?
These are stupid and irrelevant questions, but my guess is that neither the sadistic nutjob in North Korea nor the Ayatollah in Iran has never spent one second discussing Carter's intelligence considering the fact that Carter was long gone before either of them arrived on the scene.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:00 am to ChineseBandit58
Biden didn't lie us into a completely worthless war. shite try though
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:02 am to trackfan
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These are stupid and irrelevant questions,
First of all frick you too. Your failure to understand the commentdoesn't render it stupid.
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but my guess is that neither the sadistic nutjob in North Korea nor the Ayatollah in Iran has never spent one second discussing Carter's intelligence considering the fact that Carter was long gone before either of them arrived on the scene.
I suspect just the opposite. I suspect they spent a great deal of time in North Korea discussing just how they could lead Jim Jim down the primrose path.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:03 am to TT9
Dick Cheney did? Ok, where's your proof?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:03 am to keepAMERICAstrong
Mr. Cheney's remarks are accurate. He's on-point that this administration has taken a multitude of foreign policy issues and completely shite the bed. Obama has basically given an open invitation to those who hate us to act as they will. While I am not a Dick Cheney fan I agree with his comments here.
It's not rocket science. When I tell my son that if he misbehaves then there will be consequences, I follow through on the consequences. He knows I mean what I say. Dealing with these foreign policy issues is the same thing on a larger scale.
Obama thought he could threaten others based on the clout to follow through that was built up by previous administrations. He didn't follow through so now we have this shite show.
It's not rocket science. When I tell my son that if he misbehaves then there will be consequences, I follow through on the consequences. He knows I mean what I say. Dealing with these foreign policy issues is the same thing on a larger scale.
Obama thought he could threaten others based on the clout to follow through that was built up by previous administrations. He didn't follow through so now we have this shite show.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:06 am to trackfan
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but my guess is that neither the sadistic nutjob in North Korea nor the Ayatollah in Iran has never spent one second discussing Carter's intelligence considering the fact that Carter was long gone before either of them arrived on the scene.
Are you really this dense? You think Carter was out of office before Ayatollah Khomeini showed up on the scene? Are you not aware of Carter's negotiations with Pyongyang?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:06 am to trackfan
The salient point is that Carter was a terrible President. You can have all the degrees in the world, but that doesn't make you fit to be president.
I'm sure you would say that about someone like, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, or Thomas Sowell.
And anybody who thinks that Cheney is stupid is kidding themselves. Go back and look at interviews with him, or debates, things that are Live, where he's not reading from a teleprompter As far as his flunking out,I don't have his bio in front of me, but that may have been a period in his life, when he was quite the partier. I can't say for sure though No one can deny his intelligence.
And really, this awe struck admiration of the Ivy League is quite troubling.
You may be too young to have heard this expression, but there's a term known as "book smart". And it's not meant as a compliment.
I'm sure you would say that about someone like, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, or Thomas Sowell.
And anybody who thinks that Cheney is stupid is kidding themselves. Go back and look at interviews with him, or debates, things that are Live, where he's not reading from a teleprompter As far as his flunking out,I don't have his bio in front of me, but that may have been a period in his life, when he was quite the partier. I can't say for sure though No one can deny his intelligence.
And really, this awe struck admiration of the Ivy League is quite troubling.
You may be too young to have heard this expression, but there's a term known as "book smart". And it's not meant as a compliment.
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