re: Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told

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That doesn't exclude us as citizens from doing our homework and giving a damn about the criminal levels of corruption going on between Harry Reid, BLM, and ENN.

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I can agree with that.

It just seems that a lot of people want to paint it as the Bundys being kicked off their land by the big bad government when that isn't exactly the truth of all of it.

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It just seems that a lot of people want to paint it as the Bundys being kicked off their land by the big bad government when that isn't exactly the truth of all of it.

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Well, the Bundys and every other rancher in the area.

It's pretty obvious they were strongarmed, whether or not the strongarming was legally sound. At some point the BLM relationship became adversarial to the cattlemen, causing most of them to go out of business. I have to believe there is a reason Bundy is the only one left standing.

In an age where I would venture to guess around half of the general population feels government overreach has gone too far, the idea that some cattle ranchers were forced out of business to make way for some rich politicians to get richer doesn't sit well.

That is the current perception of the matter. The whole incident has taken on a larger significance than whether or not Bundy is legally in the right. It has become symbolic of what many believe is becoming a tyrannical government.

The situation is more symbolic than technical, and it's the symbolic interpretation of tyranny (heavily armed federal agents bullying around hardworking ranchers) that has people moved. People's emotions are not going to separate the legalities and the corruption. The corruption being a product of the legalities just makes the legalities absurd.

This was a watershed moment of sorts. A manifestation of people's hemmed up feelings towards their government. You can forget technicalities with that in mind. And you can't separate the corruption either. It is all bundled into one.

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Didn't Bundys grandfather sign a contract with the US Government back in the 1890s?

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he didn't have a contract but he did impose 'Droit du Seigneur' as law of the land

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It just seems that a lot of people want to paint it as the Bundys being kicked off their land by the big bad government when that isn't exactly the truth of all of it.

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That fact is a large part of the point of the OP.

We have this media inspired narrative that plays on the left vs right game, everybody jumps on their political brands side while huge chunks of the truth are ignored.

The media plays on the battle between the 'don't tread on me' brand vs the 'save the turtles' brand.

But what's really happening is criminal level corruption between a high level government official, a government agency, and a Chinese company without hardly any attention from the media.

Classic divide and conquer example. Make the left and right point fingers at each other while government and big business fulfill an agenda.

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The rancher’s wife, Carol, said there now appear to be snipers stationed around the family’s 150-acre ranch. Asked about the Bundys’ sniper claim, Cannon would neither confirm nor deny the allegation. “There are law enforcement and other personnel in place as needed to ensure that the BLM and National Park Services employees and contractors are able to conduct the operation safely,” Cannon said. “Specific operations information regarding this impoundment will not be released.”

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Wow really for a 67 year old man and his family(this was before any militia showed up) guess it's easier to fight our own citizens instead of drug dealers, Mexican cartels, etc.....

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but your author phrased that in such a way to be technically true but would insinuate...

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As any good Democrat would.

All,

Turtles are not tortoises. They are not the same.

Tortoise = herbivores, land dwellers, do not have webbed feet, and have much longer life spans.

Turtles = primarily water/sea dwellers, omnivores, webbed feet, much shorter life spans.

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Mohican

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well said

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The way the issues are separate is very obvious.

But for much of this thread you've been blending them bringing up the turtle angle.

If Bundy is truly in violation of the law, then okay, the cattle go.

That doesn't exclude us as citizens from doing our homework and giving a damn about the criminal levels of corruption going on between Harry Reid, BLM, and ENN.

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i dont feel like hes been inappropriately blending them. hes simply acknowledged that the deal, and the claim of the tortoise issue as a result of the deal is the thing thats currently escalating the already existing issue.

whether or not he believes the tortoises need a new habitat, or that the solar deal was on the up and up really hasnt had any bearing on his core point that he doesnt see why bundy has a claim to the land regardless of what silly reason the come up with to take it (or if they have no reason other than being tired of having a precedent out there that the law isnt being enforced).

essentially that bundy is in the wrong, regardless of if the govt is also turning it into a big old mess on their side too.