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Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told

Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:15 pm
Basically Harry Reid and his son want this land for a solar project worth billions. (The solar company Rory Reid represents is a Chinese company, by the way).

In this we're going to present you with evidence of blatant corruption and criminal activities that anyone, including law enforcement, can easily verify.

Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

Neil Kornze, the current BLM Chief is a former adviser for Harry Reid, and Harry Reid is the Senate Majority leader, and therefore was directly involved in his confirmation. That's another serious conflict of interest there considering that the BLM is claiming jurisdiction over the land where Rory Reid's company wants to build.

Supposedly the BLM had posted on their website that they needed to get the Bundy family off of the land to make room for the energy project, but the BLM has since removed the page.

But what if there is a version of the site cached somewhere on the web?

Let's try google's cache... Here it is folks. This is google's record of what used to be on the site.


(View on site in the link)


From the BLM page that was deleted

"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"

Funny thing, we found the mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy zone, and guess who wrote it? That would be the BLM. Pretty convenient, for Harry Reid isn't it?

(Sources found at bottom of link)
LINK

Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

What You're Not Being Told
What You're Not Being Told
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:23 pm to
Well done NC Tigah.

The title of the OP is the title of article.

This isn't being talked about in the mainstream media, which is why it's titled 'what you're not being told'.

I didn't see your thread, I apologize.

But this one includes the deleted BLM webpage that admits to wanting the cattle off the land to make the solar project possible.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:25 pm to
So this Solar project has been in the works for 21 years?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

But this one includes the deleted BLM webpage that admits to wanting the cattle off the land to make the solar project possible.
Interestingly, Little Rory Reid was running his mouth about this on a Nevada News Program yesterday. He was calling for arrest of the Bundys.


I wonder what Little Rory's interest is.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:35 pm to
Here is my question:

Bundy hasn't paid grazing fees in 20 years, what gives him the right to stop any development of land that he does not own, control, or pay grazing rights for?

Honest question.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

Bundy hasn't paid grazing fees in 20 years, what gives him the right to stop any development of land that he does not own, control, or pay grazing rights for?


..

Didn't Bundys grandfather sign a contract with the US Government back in the 1890s?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98528 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:42 pm to
Contract?

I am sure the Indians had contracts (nay, treaties) with the USA.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:45 pm to
But then we voided those treaties through force of arms. Kinda like what's happening right now.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:49 pm to
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on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located.

The author of your linked article (which we've seen here before, by the way) is pretty disingenuous.

Bundy's ranch is on the land known as Clark County, but your author phrased that in such a way to be technically true but would insinuate to anybody not informed that the BLM is seeking to seize Bundy's own ranch. That's BS.

Then there's this, which pretty much amounts to a lie:
quote:

Supposedly the BLM had posted on their website that they needed to get the Bundy family off of the land to make room for the energy project,

No, the website didn't say that. It said it had to get Bundy's COWS off the public land, not the Bundy family. And, once again, Bundy's own ranch is not part of "the land" the BLM is out to protect.

Some of what he says should be considered by Nevada voters, but he doesn't help himself with objective people when he deliberately skews the facts.


Posted by Porky
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:51 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

but he doesn't help himself with objective people when he deliberately skews the facts.


This is how politics and the media works in the modern world though. If you can't be scaring and telling half truths to the ignorant, what is the point of putting out info.

Not that I agree with you or anything.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

Kinda like what's happening right now.


But the US did not void the contract with the Bundys.

The Bundys quit paying their fees.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:53 pm to
I know and I don't care. The right needs to make this an us versus them subject for the midterms.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:55 pm to
I upvoted.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:08 pm to
Still wondering---why can't BLM use that land when no one is paying grazing rights for it?

Wouldn't the Solar project be a moot point?
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

why can't BLM use that land when no one is paying grazing rights for it?


If we're going to be accurate, BLM isn't interested in using it, they're interested in letting a Chinese energy company use it.

This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 8:23 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123810 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

Bundy's ranch is on the land known as Clark County, but your author phrased that in such a way to be technically true but would insinuate to anybody not informed that the BLM is seeking to seize Bundy's own ranch. That's BS.
It is a distinction without a difference. Without access to adjacent land providing forage and water, Bundy's ranch is worthless.

Here is the kicker:
Bundy actually owns water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM.

When BLM started using his fees to run him off the land and harassing him, he ceased paying.

Bundy has apparently continued to pay fees to Clark County in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM.

In the early 1990s BLM changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy — or any other rancher — and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers. As a result, Bundy is the last of those ranchers remaining in southern Nevada.

After BLM demanded he reduce his heard’s head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch, Bundy refused to further pay them.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

If we're going to be accurate, BLM isn't interested in using it, they're interested in letting a Chinese energy company use it.


No, the Chinese want to use land elsewhere. For the Chinese to build the Solar Plant they have to use the grazing lands for the tortoise habitat.

BLM wants to make the grazing lands the protected habitat for the tortoise.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:34 pm to
quote:


BLM wants to make the grazing lands the protected habitat for the tortoise.



This is nonsense. The turtle thing is just being used to distract from the real goal.

The energy company needs the cattle gone for their project to move forward. This isn't about turtles, it's about a lot of money.

BLM has admitted they need the cattle gone for the energy project to proceed.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 8:36 pm
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