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re: Bosnian Woman beaten by black teens-FBI investigating as hate crime
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'd also like to see what would happen if drug crimes were aggressively policed in tony white suburbs
let's stick with homicides, because surely you don't believe the police ignore a dead body in a "tony white suburb"
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Yes, murder is more likely. However, that does not explain the overwhelming asymmetry of prosecution of non-violent crimes for blacks vs whites
so an acknowledgement that black people murder and are murdered 7 times more often than other groups doesn't fit, you go back to the prosecution of other offenses...look at the disparity, it surely must be racist...NOPE. murders involving drugs also dwarf other ethnic groups, races, etc. Also, if a group of people commits murder 7 times more often than another, then it isn't unreasonable to suggest that group also dwarfs the "competition" in other crime categories
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The system is certainly racist
and yet you cannot tell me how...white cops tend to shoot white people, black cops tend to shoot black people...amazing, just like how murder is intra racial.
The police forces in the united states accurately reflect their demographics, which should come as no surprise...equal representation for those caring about what color their cops are.
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Yes, murder is more likely
yes and it just stops with murder...they're more likely to murder but it's IMPOSSIBLE for other crimes to be more likely...that's really the only line they draw the distinction...and maybe the system is, I don't know. Let's look at the numbers...but you haven't presented anything that suggests, implies or proves that "the system" (and what fricking system is that?) is racist
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:25 pm to the808bass
quote:Link? The main discrepancy I saw was that he said Wilson shot Michael when Michael was running away. After he found out he wasn't shot in the back he changed it to say that he was shot at and thought that Michael was hit since he stopped right away. Not a big diff as you can believe that you saw someone shot when you hear a shot and the guy running stops suddenly. Sometimes the mind fills in the blanks. That isn't deception, it's human nature.
Johnson's first account said that the officer stood over Michael Brown and fired down into him while he lay face down on the pavement. That's pretty consistent with nothing.
I didn't read the part where Dorian said Wilson stood over him and shot down into his back. I do remember another witness saying that.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:27 pm to DelU249
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let's stick with homicides, because surely you don't believe the police ignore a dead body in a "tony white suburb"
I believe that police effectively ignore all sorts of crimes in white areas that they aggressively police in black areas. Statistics show that blacks are no more likely to deal or use drugs than whites. Enforcement patterns certainly would not convey that fact to you.
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so an acknowledgement that black people murder and are murdered 7 times more often than other groups doesn't fit, you go back to the prosecution of other offenses...look at the disparity, it surely must be racist...NOPE. murders involving drugs also dwarf other ethnic groups, races, etc. Also, if a group of people commits murder 7 times more often than another, then it isn't unreasonable to suggest that group also dwarfs the "competition" in other crime categories
When it comes to drugs, no, they do not. Look at the stop and frisk numbers. MASSIVE sweep program with a very very tiny hit rate. And now that it's been taken away, crime continues to plummet. The entire point of such things is to create an all-black dragnet.
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and yet you cannot tell me how...
I can tell you how, but I'd rather you read a book or two on the topic and then come back to discuss.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
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believe that police effectively ignore all sorts of crimes in white areas that they aggressively police in black areas. Statistics show that blacks are no more likely to deal or use drugs than whites. Enforcement patterns certainly would not convey that fact to you.
Or maybe the group with the much higher IQ is smarter and more careful when it comes to drug dealing?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:35 pm to lsu480
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Or maybe the group with the much higher IQ is smarter and more careful when it comes to drug dealing?
Even if that were true, why would law enforcement want to ignore it?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:02 pm to the808bass
quote:If you listen to the video interview he doesn't say stood directly over him with Michael's head down on pavement.
'(Brown) put his hands in the air and he started to get down, but the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and he fired several more shots and my friend died... He didn't say anything to him, he just stood over him and he was shooting.
Saying that the officer "stood over and was shootin'" could just be referring to him describing things as his friend began to get down.
But I do bet that the prosecutors tried to point this out as a discrepancy in one of their "during break" conversations with the grand jury.
You could probably see this in Dorian Johnson's testimony he gave to police right away that was left out of the released documents "accidentally" by the prosecutor. At this point I would like to know if he showed that testimony to the grand jury or just tried to parse the television interviews which are documented.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:20 pm to mmcgrath
Here is the link to the initial testimony from Dorian, given BEFORE the autopsy reports came out. LINK
You may notice in his first testimony that he says he never saw the bullet hit Michael Brown as he was running away, just that he saw the officer shoot then Michael Brown turned.
You may notice in his first testimony that he says he never saw the bullet hit Michael Brown as he was running away, just that he saw the officer shoot then Michael Brown turned.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
They aren't ignoring but there is only so much they can do because whites know their rights. Its a lot harder to catch smart dealers that only talk face to face than it is to catch corner boys.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I believe that police effectively ignore all sorts of crimes in white areas
you can't ignore dead fricking bodies...and since black people are killed at 7 times the rate of white people, and the metropolitan areas are functionally segregated, they police black neighborhoods more...because more people are fricking dying
they are MURDERED at 7 times the rate of white people...should they ignore that in an effort to give white people in their "lily white suburban neighborhoods" more protection?
Imagine the outcry.
quote:stop and frisk laws should be illegal...anyway, st. Louis doesn't have them, Cleveland doesn't have them...there's only one city with that policy...the ultra caring, totally not racist city of New York.
MASSIVE sweep program with a very very tiny hit rate. And now that it's been taken away, crime continues to plummet. The entire point of such things is to create an all-black dragnet
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but I'd rather you read a book or two on the topic and then come back to discuss.
exactly, you can't tell me because you don't know shite.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:55 pm to DelU249
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you can't ignore dead fricking bodies...
I'm not asking dead bodies to be ignored.
I'm simply saying when a middle-class white kid does blow, it has very little chance of staying with him his whole life. On the other hand, a black kid with a joint is much more likely to be swept into the system with a permanent scar on his record that deprives a lot of forward opportunities.
The vast majority of drug use is among white people. Something like 10% of the population uses illegal drugs. That is a staggering absolute number of criminal offenders. Yet the policy has been to put all of black America in touch with the system somehow while white America gets high...onward and upward. If law enforcement started vigorously cracking down on criminal drug use in the white community (which is rampant) and thus subjecting whites to the utterly draconian mandatory sentencing laws that are in place, you can bet your arse that the laws would quickly be changed towards decriminalizing drugs and ending the war on drugs. But since the net effect is basically to put virtually all black males in tough with the system (see stop and frisk for instance), you don't hear any outcry from whites. To the contrary - all you hear about is how great and appropriate it is to go after criminals.
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exactly, you can't tell me because you don't know shite.
Read above.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
K you said that only 10% of the population uses drugs, but then said it is rampant in the white community ....... I wouldn't call 10% rampant( spreading unchecked)
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:30 pm to StrongSafety
quote:Yeah, like the Duke Lacrosse scandal and Tawana Brawley.
White "victim" makes up story about black perpetrators
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:44 pm to fleaux
quote:The percentage of drug use is the same white vs black, so I guess you wouldn't say it is "rampant" in the black community either.
K you said that only 10% of the population uses drugs, but then said it is rampant in the white community ....... I wouldn't call 10% rampant( spreading unchecked)
BTW, 10% is pretty "rampant" IMO, especially when you consider elderly / children are part of the other 90%.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
I know you're not asking them to be ignored. You're accusing the police of ignoring them
The police don't police dead bodies, they investigate them
And 7 x as many turn up in black neighborhoods
The police don't police dead bodies, they investigate them
And 7 x as many turn up in black neighborhoods
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
I know you're not asking them to be ignored. You're accusing the police of ignoring them
The police don't police dead bodies, they investigate them
And 7 x as many turn up in black neighborhoods
The police don't police dead bodies, they investigate them
And 7 x as many turn up in black neighborhoods
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:56 pm to fleaux
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K you said that only 10% of the population uses drugs, but then said it is rampant in the white community ....... I wouldn't call 10% rampant( spreading unchecked)
You wouldn't call 10% of a community continuously engaged in felonious behavior as rampant? What would you call it?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:58 pm to DelU249
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And 7 x as many turn up in black neighborhoods
Please address my statements regarding unequal enforcement of felony drug crimes. Literally tens of millions of white people are going largely unprosecuted on these crimes. And it's not because the police don't know they're going on.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 4:00 pm to lsu480
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They aren't ignoring but there is only so much they can do because whites know their rights. Its a lot harder to catch smart dealers that only talk face to face than it is to catch corner boys.
Street dealers are going to be targeted far more than anyone else.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 4:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
It doesn't matter what they are. Youre saying they police some neighborhoods harder
I'm telling you why. 7 x the bodies will result in more personnel and resources in that neighborhood.
You say it's racism, I'm telling you it's incedental and inconsequential. More bodies means more police means more arrests for other crimes means prosecutor prosecutes more of those people
Again, start from the top. Why do the cops only do this with black people? Why aren't the Asians getting locked up?
You just call it racist because that's what you instinctively think, but there's no evidence to suggest it or prove it. The fact of the matter is black people commit more crimes. thus are policed more heavily
19 vs 3
There's no skewing that...it's unfathomable. Both victimization and offending rates almost 7 times that of everyone else. And as you know, and the almost dead even rates for victims and offenders shows, the overwhelming majority of those deplorable murder statistics are Intra racial.
If you cared so much about equality you'd start asking yourself why black men are murdered at such a disproportionate rate. Because it's not the system doing the killing.
I'm telling you why. 7 x the bodies will result in more personnel and resources in that neighborhood.
You say it's racism, I'm telling you it's incedental and inconsequential. More bodies means more police means more arrests for other crimes means prosecutor prosecutes more of those people
Again, start from the top. Why do the cops only do this with black people? Why aren't the Asians getting locked up?
You just call it racist because that's what you instinctively think, but there's no evidence to suggest it or prove it. The fact of the matter is black people commit more crimes. thus are policed more heavily
19 vs 3
There's no skewing that...it's unfathomable. Both victimization and offending rates almost 7 times that of everyone else. And as you know, and the almost dead even rates for victims and offenders shows, the overwhelming majority of those deplorable murder statistics are Intra racial.
If you cared so much about equality you'd start asking yourself why black men are murdered at such a disproportionate rate. Because it's not the system doing the killing.
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