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re: Axelrod on Clinton: "It takes a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump"
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:08 pm to Rakim
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:08 pm to Rakim
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Clinton on Tuesday said she takes responsibility for her 2016 presidential election loss, but added she would have won if not for FBI Director James Comey, Russian hackers and WikiLeaks.
Either the bolded or italics part is bullshite.
I like how she deflects blame while tokenly accepting it just to appear the bigger person, and the press lets her get away with it. Zero intellectual honesty.
Those two parts in that sentence are logically incompatible.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:09 pm to DelU249
It's so tough to say either way. For the sake of argument, let's say Cruz found a way to beat Trump. Does Trump fade away or does he hang around the RNC or run as a third party? Would Rubio or Cruz done a better job a prosecuting Hillary for the email stuff? Let's say Trump never even enters the race and someone like Rubio won the nomination. Would Rubio have had a more united party behind him and would've done less to energize people on the Left?
So many factors at play that I don't think anyone can say for sure either way. I do think Hillary beats the shite out of Jeb though.
So many factors at play that I don't think anyone can say for sure either way. I do think Hillary beats the shite out of Jeb though.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:10 pm to DelU249
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Rubio never had a shot. he's good looking, he's Hispanic and he's close to the Obama model of appearing to speak well, but the gang of 8 was an albatross around his neck and you can't just say "optimism". his core message was "i'm the most electable" which means he would've had his shite pushed in by Hillary.
Rubio is the candidate that democrats and the media say is the most formidable because he's the easiest to take apart. Democrats and the media like Rubio because he's a paper tiger. In a national election, you just point out he can't run his finances, doesn't have any achievements of note, and is Norman Bramen's gigolo. Rubio is a disaster. Thank goodness for him, the people of Florida like him. That's his ceiling in politics.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:11 pm to Sentrius
quote:khan wasn't a nuclear bomb. it was a fart made out to be one
nuclear bombs
access Hollywood on the other hand? yeah that was nuclear
1. he spent decades in the public eye and is known for being a womanizer
2. he's a billionaire and famous
he's the only one who could've said that and won. we have expectations and social memories.
i heard him saying that and thought "so?"
now imagine ted cruz or joe biden saying that...
it's different. 
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:11 pm to DelU249
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well that's because when she did get on stage she just vomited nauseating identity politics and mud slinging based upon that.
She literally did just that.
Remember that glass of water she threw up snot into like this
?Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:12 pm to Sentrius
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Looking back on this just makes me think holy fricking shite it's absolutely unbelievable that Trump survived both of these nuclear bombs with one of them being self inflicted or maybe both of them were.
Just one of those would have immediately killed a normal campaign if you were running for so much as a city council seat. Trump survived them and countered them effectively to win states republicans have not won in decades on the way to winning the fricking White House against a candidate that had every conceivable advantage in the world.
Crazy shite.
It's remarkable. Would've ended anyone else's career. So kudos to Trump for overcoming it but it's not like he didn't have any help. The Comey letter and the Obamacare news put wind in his sails that he otherwise wouldn't have had at that last minute.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:15 pm to therick711
quote:they would've ripped him to fricking shreds.
because he's the easiest to take apart
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:15 pm to Swoopin
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Those two parts in that sentence are typical political speak.
fify ;)
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:15 pm to Haughton99
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I'll concede that some news outlets blow things that Trump does out of proportion if you'll concede that Trump and his supporters complain too much about any criticism that he receives.
Of course that is true. Trump is a thin skinned pussy when it comes to criticizing him. My issue is, so was Obama, for example.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:16 pm to DelU249
He's so unauthentic, he tried to be Trump and killed his national aspirations--probably for good. He has pretty terrible political instincts.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:17 pm to FairhopeTider
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It's remarkable. Would've ended anyone else's career. So kudos to Trump for overcoming it but it's not like he didn't have any help. The Comey letter and the Obamacare news put wind in his sails that he otherwise wouldn't have had at that last minute.
Thats true, but on the other hand, it's also true that "access Hollywood" gave Hillary a boost that she otherwise wouldn't have had.
That's the nature of politics. It just boiled down to Trump overcame his negatives, Hillary couldn't overcome hers.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:17 pm to DelU249
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khan wasn't a nuclear bomb. it was a fart made out to be one
It was headed that way if Trump didn't cut his losses with that one quick enough.
quote:
access Hollywood on the other hand? yeah that was nuclear
The entire GOP was in a total meltdown, republicans were demanding he drop out and install Pence as the nominee and the campaign and his own family was in a completely furious mutiny to cuck himself a little and apologize for it in that video message.
It truly was the darkest hour of his campaign. But Trump to his credit smartly countered it by introducing Bill's rape victims and having a good debate where he effectively handled Hillary after he had a poor 1st debate. It was depressing as hell to live through with Hillary seemingly having just locked it all up but looking back it's just so crazy and unbelievable to talk about now.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:17 pm to stelly1025
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She is the only one that had a shot. He would have crushed Bernie even worse.
Any other dem candidate but those two and it is a whitewash for the Dems. Biden wins by double digits (and trust me I don't like him)... but these were the two least like candidates ever.
The plug your nose and vote % was monstrous
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:20 pm to Rakim
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he was the least popular presidential candidate to win in the history of polling."
That's because the polls were made up bullshite designed to discourage and suppress Trump support.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:21 pm to The Boat
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That's because the polls were made up bullshite designed to discourage and suppress Trump support.
No they weren't but keep that head in the sand.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:22 pm to Haughton99
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No they weren't but keep that head in the sand.
Oh yeah and remember when Hillary had a chance in South Carolina, Missouri, and Kansas? Trump won those by 14, 18, and 20. They made up the polls so they could run stories about solid red states turning purple. You're a head in the sand lib bitch if you try to refute that.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:23 pm to Haughton99
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No they weren't but keep that head in the sand.
If the polls were right how did he win? The polls said he would lose?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:32 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:tough, but i think the 3rd party run was a bluff. this dude was in it to win it and he knows he wouldn't win running as a 3rd party.
For the sake of argument, let's say Cruz found a way to beat Trump. Does Trump fade away or does he hang around the RNC or run as a third party?
quote:not as well as trump did. he kept it brief and simple. people who delete 30,000 emails have something to hide. you have a minute to make your case. Rubio wouldn't want to go there and his response to WikiLeaks just reinforces my opinion. cruz would be too thorough and lose the attention of voters. I don't think either of them would've focused as much on it as trump did anyway.
Would Rubio or Cruz done a better job a prosecuting Hillary for the email stuff?
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stuff? Let's say Trump never even enters the race and someone like Rubio won the nomination. Would Rubio have had a more united party behind him and would've done less to energize people on the Left?
Rubio would have superficially have a united party, but republican voters weren't having the same shite they got last time. end of story. doesn't matter about the enthusiasm on the other side.
i also disagree that a lack of enthusiasm was this huge thing for Hillary. she pulled the same amount of votes Obama did in 2012. the problem was trump had a shite ton of enthusiasm and he rearranged the map. he pulled in like 3 1/2 million more voters than Romney in places that mattered the most.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:33 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Thats true, but on the other hand, it's also true that "access Hollywood" gave Hillary a boost that she otherwise wouldn't have had
That's kind of my point. That was a hell of a gift to Hillary. Just imagine if it hadn't happened. Trump probably wins by more.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:35 pm to The Boat
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Oh yeah and remember when Hillary had a chance in South Carolina, Missouri, and Kansas? Trump won those by 14, 18, and 20.
Polls had him up outside of the margin of error in all of those states. Not sure what you are talking about.
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They made up the polls so they could run stories about solid red states turning purple. You're a head in the sand lib bitch if you try to refute that.
Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.
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