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re: Axelrod on Clinton: "It takes a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump"
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to FairhopeTider
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So we're comparing those stories to the Access Hollywood and the Kahns?
No, I'm comparing the ability (willingness?) to counter such stories.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to Bard
Biden couldn't win nomination with Hillary in race
Hillary couldn't win nomination with Biden in race
Together Sanders win nomination
Hillary couldn't win nomination with Biden in race
Together Sanders win nomination
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to Sentrius
quote:the crowded field helped him, but before trump and cruz (1&2 guys in the field) started on each other cruz voters would go to trump and trump voters would go to cruz.
The nomination and the GOP primaries was effectively over at that point as it gave lifelines to Jeb and Kasich and thus keeping the field more crowded for Trump to drop the hammer in South Carolina and the next few months until early May was just filler and wishful thinking and dreaming by dead Never Trumpers walking.
so I would say trump was actually handicapped by cruz and because he went so ape shite on cruz he handicapped himself if the dynamics played out differently such as cruz dropping early and/or the establishment field clearing out after SC.
Rubio never had a shot. he's good looking, he's Hispanic and he's close to the Obama model of appearing to speak well, but the gang of 8 was an albatross around his neck and you can't just say "optimism". his core message was "i'm the most electable" which means he would've had his shite pushed in by Hillary.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to Haughton99
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Step 1 Trump says something stupid
Step 2 The Press, "Trump said something stupid today"
Step 3 Trumpkin, "OMG The Press is attacking Trump again!!! It's so unfair!!!! Obama said something stupid one time too!!!!"
It's amazing that you idiots can't even concede that it is true that the media did and still does blow things that Trump says or does completely out of proportion while at the same time cheering when Obama, or another Dem, did the same damn ting.
We just recently saw a classic example of this.
Trump says "I'd meet with Kim Jong Un under the right circumstances, the media and liberals go ape shite "I can't believe he would meet with that guy, and legitimize him, what a buffoon he knows nothing about international politics" yet in 2007 when Obama said HE would meet with the guy with ZERO conditions, he was praised for "wanting to change US policy"
Yall truly are stupid.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to Bard
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They absolutely were, but that's only part of the story. The other part, the part most of the media and non-Trump types were ignoring was rally attendance. Normally rally attendance doesn't necessarily transcribe over to actual votes, but when they are consistently so one-sided...
I think Trump outworked Hillary by a 13:1 margin over the last two weeks before the election.
Trump doesn't get enough credit and praise for that work ethic and energy he put into crunch time.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:58 pm to Sentrius
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Trump doesn't get enough credit and praise for that work ethic and energy he put into crunch time.
Absolutely, the media didn't cover this either because it highlighted Hillary's health problems.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:58 pm to Sentrius
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I think Trump outworked Hillary by a 13:1 margin over the last two weeks before the election.
Trump doesn't get enough credit and praise for that work ethic and energy he put into crunch time.
I agree with this. I disagree with the notion that, if Hillary had just done the same, she would have had a better chance. Hillary was not going to win this election 'on the stump' no matter how much she did it.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I suspect some people have a misguided notion about how many Americans would really want an unabashed avowed socialist as president.
I know a lot of people who voted for Trump that would have voted for Sanders. I know people who didn't vote who would have voted for Sanders.
I think people would have voted for the man (Sanders) and not the man's policies. Socialist or not, he would have been hard to beat.
Sanders would not have won Louisiana, lol, but he probably would have won Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:00 pm to FairhopeTider
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First of all, Romney wasn't "destroyed" by those. He ran a poor campaign, let the Dems use Bain/tax returns against him,
Honestly, if Romney had the same intensity and work ethic that Trump had in 2016 and refused to let the media and Obama define him and called them out when its warranted, he would possibly be POTUS today in his second term.
It's one reason why I was so fricking pissed at him for going balls to the wall against Trump four years later in 2016. Where the frick was that kind of fire and energy when we needed it the most?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:00 pm to Rakim
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Biden couldn't win nomination with Hillary in race
Hillary couldn't win nomination with Biden in race
Together Sanders win nomination
I disagree. I think if everything else had unfolded as it did, having Joe unload on her as well would have driven her from the primary. Plans were always afoot in the DNC to make damned sure Bernie wouldn't be their candidate so there's pretty much zero chance that would have ever happened.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:01 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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No, I'm comparing the ability (willingness?) to counter such stories.
Again, there's still no comparison because Trump had many more "stories" that needed to be countered.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:02 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I agree with this. I disagree with the notion that, if Hillary had just done the same, she would have had a better chance. Hillary was not going to win this election 'on the stump' no matter how much she did it.
Agreed, in fact it actually appears that she repelled voters on the stump, not attracted them.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:03 pm to Bard
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They absolutely were, but that's only part of the story. The other part, the part most of the media and non-Trump types were ignoring was rally attendance. Normally rally attendance doesn't necessarily transcribe over to actual votes, but when they are consistently so one-sided...
I think you are completely right. They both had very high negatives. Trumps was higher but he overcame that by having a very motivated base of support. People either hated Hillary or were kinda Meh about her. Trump was the only candidate that had a large crowd that couldn't wait to vote for him. That was enough to push him over the finish line.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:she absolutely would have. easy to say in hindsight but Donald trump was the most electable candidate. he played in states none of the other republicans would've even sniffed. he came an arse hair away from winning Minnesota.
I'm not saying she would have definitely beat the typical republican establishment schmoe
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:04 pm to Rakim
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Biden would have blown Trump out.
Biden is way too stupid to win a presidential election. People tout Biden now only because he's been out of the limelight long enough for people to forget how stupid he is. He spent one year as VP and seven being hidden from public by the president that was embarrassed to have him around. Remember, there was very serious talk about replacing Biden in 2012 because his idiot mouth is a huge electoral liability.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:05 pm to Haughton99
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Polling avg had him up 12pts. I think that's pretty pretty close to where the election would have ended up.
Let's be fair: polling had Biden up by 12.5%, but those polls were taken while Trump was getting 90% negative TV coverage and Biden wasn't being talked about at all.
A full press cycle on Biden would likely decrease that gap considerably, but I think Biden could have beaten Trump in a national election. If he'd run, Biden would probably be the president right now.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:05 pm to DelU249
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she absolutely would have. easy to say in hindsight but Donald trump was the most electable candidate. he played in states none of the other republicans would've even sniffed. he came an arse hair away from winning Minnesota.
Correct, none of the other Republicans could have even came close to penetrating "the blue wall"
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Access Hollywood
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he Kahns
Looking back on this just makes me think holy fricking shite it's absolutely unbelievable that Trump survived both of these nuclear bombs with one of them being self inflicted or maybe both of them were.
Just one of those would have immediately killed a normal campaign if you were running for so much as a city council seat. Trump survived them and countered them effectively to win states republicans have not won in decades on the way to winning the fricking White House against a candidate that had every conceivable advantage in the world.
Crazy shite.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:well that's because when she did get on stage she just vomited nauseating identity politics and mud slinging based upon that.
I disagree with the notion that, if Hillary had just done the same, she would have had a better chance
if she got up there and said. "i'm for a, b and c" in a simple way as trump did it would be a different story, but she relied on gimmicks like celebrities and photo ops. that's all she had and the deplorables comment...jesus fricking Christ
63 million people you directly insulted because when you say half of, it doesn't matter they think you mean them as do their friends and family.
if i had to single out the biggest thing that Hillary did to frick it up, it would be that.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:07 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It's amazing that you idiots can't even concede that it is true that the media did and still does blow things that Trump says or does completely out of proportion while at the same time cheering when Obama, or another Dem, did the same damn ting.
I'll concede that some news outlets blow things that Trump does out of proportion if you'll concede that Trump and his supporters complain too much about any criticism that he receives.
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