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Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:26 pm to Rakim
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Bad news would drop for Hillary and Trump would one up her with help from the media.
Trump handled the media better than any republican candidate in my lifetime.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:27 pm to LuckyTiger
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I don't think any other republican would have won.
I disagree because I believe that Hillary was one of the worst Presidential candidates in my lifetime. She had horrible likeability numbers, multiple scandals, and zero charisma. I don't believe that Donald Trump is the only person alive who could've beaten her. Especially when you consider the self-inflicted wounds Trump had.
It's still hard to say for sure either way because it would've been a completely different dynamic.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:28 pm to Rakim
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"Let me tell you, he was the least popular presidential candidate to win in the history of polling."
Lol, that's cause those polls where all fake.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:28 pm to Iosh
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With Trump the problem was too many people wanted a piece of him, everyone hung around longer than they should.
Here's to looking at John Kasich.
Displaced honestly to this day still refuses to admit that Kasich drove the dagger in for Trump's nomination by constantly blocking enough votes for Rubio and Cruz.
At least Jeb Bush to his credit knew when it was time to GTFO and be a team player.
Oh and the fact that all of the GOP candidates were so retard obsessed with "winning their lanes" that Trump just won enough of all the lanes that it didn't matter if he lost them all was not very helpful either.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:30 pm to Sentrius
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Displaced honestly to this day still refuses to admit that Kasich drove the dagger in for Trump's nomination by constantly blocking enough votes for Rubio and Cruz.
Kasich didn't take a single vote from either of them.
Crying about it doesn't change that.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:30 pm to stelly1025
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She is the only one that had a shot. He would have crushed Bernie even worse.
It's really hard to say. I think the Democratic Party lost a lot of credibility when it was discovered they were stilting their primary. Even though, Bernie threw his support behind her, i think a large portion of his constituency never forgave them and either stay away from the polls or voted for Trump.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:31 pm to FairhopeTider
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I disagree because I believe that Hillary was one of the worst Presidential candidates in my lifetime. She had horrible likeability numbers, multiple scandals, and zero charisma. I don't believe that Donald Trump is the only person alive who could've beaten her. Especially when you consider the self-inflicted wounds Trump had.
It's still hard to say for sure either way because it would've been a completely different dynamic.
I really and highly doubt that Rubio and Cruz could've pulled off the rust belt like Trump did.
They're just not good ideological fits for those states like Trump wasn't a good fit for Georgia and Texas but they were still so red that there was enough cushion to prevent them from ever being in play.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:31 pm to Zach
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Name 3.
The two major Democrats who could have (and would have, IMO) beaten Trump were Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden.
Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate, but uniquely unqualified to go up against someone like Trump. Sanders or Biden would have had a field day with him, I think.
It's all speculation, but I think Trump would have lost to either Biden or Sanders.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:33 pm to Zach
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Biden ran for president. He got 1% of the vote.
That was a much different race. He was running against Obama and a much less damaged Hillary. No one had a chance against those two in a dem primary.
Trump Vs Biden 2016 polling.
Polling avg had him up 12pts. I think that's pretty pretty close to where the election would have ended up.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:33 pm to Sentrius
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Displaced honestly to this day still refuses to admit that Kasich drove the dagger in for Trump's nomination by constantly blocking enough votes for Rubio and Cruz.
Without Kasich, Rubio and Cruz rack up more states on a Super Tuesday. Still would've been tough but it's a different race at that point.
When nobody dropped out by Iowa, Trump was golden. He had the plurality and there was simply no way for anyone to catch him unless that field got down to 2-3 candidates by South Carolina. Rubio was on his way to clearing out the establishment field and making it a 2-3 man race until Christie knocked him off.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Kasich didn't take a single vote from either of them.
Crying about it doesn't change that.
Right on cue.
It's beyond hilarious you still think a guy who ran 4th in a 3 man race had any business staying in the race.
Trump won the nomination through divide and conquer and Kasich greatly helped Trump out on that strategy by sucking up enough votes from Rubio and Kasich.
Keep being in denial.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:34 pm to RuLSU
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someone like Trump. Sanders or Biden would have had a field day with him, I think.
I suspect some people have a misguided notion about how many Americans would really want an unabashed avowed socialist as president.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:35 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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literally EVERYTHING she did was a calculated maneuver to get her back there as president
on a conscious or subconscious level, everyone saw it and found it obnoxious.
8 years before Obama beat McCain no one knew him. 8 years before bush beat gore, no one thought he would be the nominee. 8 years before Clinton won his first term no one outside of Arkansas had heard of the guy. 8 years before Hillary won the nomination everyone and their mom knew she would be the nominee. it was a fricking lock and in fact this was her second go round because 8 years before she lost to Obama everyone and their mom knew she would be the nominee and she lost to a guy who had been a senator for about 5 fricking minutes.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:36 pm to Rakim
Axelrod stole the points from my post yesterday.
He left off the bit about trusting Robbie Mook more than she trusted Bill Clinton tho
He left off the bit about trusting Robbie Mook more than she trusted Bill Clinton tho
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:36 pm to Rakim
Axelrod is correct. Democrats and HRC shat the bed and delivered us the Tweeting Orange Orangutan.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:37 pm to Sentrius
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4th in a 3 man race
It's still hilarious that someone as ineffective as you claim had such an impact on the nomination.
Kasich was politically closer to Trump than either Cruz or Rubio. It's as likely, and I'd argue (and win) more likely, that those Kasich votes would have gone to Trump and ended things sooner had Kasich dropped out.
I do love that Kasich still makes you all melty.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:37 pm to Rakim
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but added she would have won if not for FBI Director James Comey, Russian hackers and WikiLeaks.
And her hidden server, and Whitewater, and travel-gate, and Monica, and Benghazi, and the Clinton Foundation, and the murder list, and 2 months of not taking unscripted questions, and the 4th of July seizure, And Bill, and accomplishing nothing as first Lady, and accomplishing nothing as a US senator, and Accomplishing nothing as Secretary of State. And well Hillary...
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:38 pm to stelly1025
Well her
And all the other republicans
And the green
And Aleppo guy
And all the other republicans
And the green
And Aleppo guy
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:38 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Hillary was a contrivance created to run against a cliche.
Since leaving the whitehouse as First Lady (and probably well before that) literally EVERYTHING she did was a calculated maneuver to get her back there as president, and everything was calculated under the assumption that her opponent would be the typical republican establishment schmoe.
I'm not saying she would have definitely beat the typical republican establishment schmoe, but Donald Trump was clearly the monkey wrench in her plan.
The media would have destroyed a typical GOP candidate, we all know that.
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