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re: As it turns out, no, those four methods are not abortifacient
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:06 pm to STEVED00
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:06 pm to STEVED00
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Well u can call it whatever u like but the morning after pill is designed to terminate a pregnancy.
Well if you want to be technically correct, they are designed to make sure pregnancy doesnt happen, not terminate an existing one.
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:06 pm to Rex
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Everything I've said has been consistent.
thats actually correct. you are consistently wrong and when faced when overwhelming evidence that you are, claim everyone else is an idiot and not on your intellectual level
you can set your watch to it
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Put some of your warmist science to it TUba. I am sure someone could establish that ella mechanism for action five days after intercourse is somehow via ovulation prevention.
You must have missed the memo Rex.
Corporations are now allowed to dictate that anything is an abortifacient. If a "closely held" company decides that soap is an abortifacient, they are exempt from having to provide hand soap for their employee's use in the bathrooms (they don't even need to supply bathrooms if they determine bathrooms can act as abortifacients)
Hint: make sure they use a 'flexible' measurement akin to the flux component method in their work on this. That way they can tailor the results. Because there will certainly be a lot of tailoring required.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:08 pm to Rex
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Republican war on women
So you're saying that women are incapable of getting their own contraceptives... And it's Republicans that have a subservient view of women?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:09 pm to SSpaniel
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What about the actual manufacturer of the drug... are they anti abortion groups in cahoots with them as well?
You do understand that the manufacturers are required to put the warning on the their labels by the FDA, right? The makers of Plan B have long said they don't impact a fertilized egg, but the FDA mandated they state that they do on their labels. And when they mandated that be put on there, there was lack of proof that they prevented a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:09 pm to Rex
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Did you read the linked article?
Didn't even see on in your OP. Let me go back and look.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:09 pm to Rex
quote:This has really sent you into a tail spin. I worry about your mental health, sir.
Rex
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:09 pm to Rex
This is really tough. Should I believe Rex who has no real medical training or NC Tigah who is a medical doctor specializing in obstetrics?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:11 pm to Rex
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Did you even bother reading the rest of the article? The FDA warning is OUTDATED.
Shouting only reinforces the weakness of your argument. Hobby Lobby acted in good faith based upon information provided by the FDA and information provided by the manufacturer.
It is amazing that you cannot see a conspiracy in the actions of Ms Lerner and the IRS, but somehow can find a conspiracy in the Hobby Lobby ruling.
Wow. I wish you the best Rex. It is difficult living a life of such abject anger and bitterness.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:11 pm to C
Well I thoroughly enjoyed Gerald's offshore drilling knowledge during the BP Horizon disaster.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:HL's beef is fertilization not implantation.
Well if you want to be technically correct, they are designed to make sure pregnancy doesnt happen, not terminate an existing one.
Rex is claiming IAW a bastion of science aka The NYTimes that Plan B and ella work through preventing fertilization and have nothing to do with implantation. Just so you'll know.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:12 pm to C
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Should I believe Rex who has no real medical training or NC Tigah who is a medical doctor specializing in obstetrics?
Rex, of course, b/c he can find, copy and paste articles from MSNBC... with a dose of SpideyTuba, because, well, scientist.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:13 pm to Wolfhound45
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So, who is being dishonest?
Par for the course.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:13 pm to C
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NC Tigah who is a medical doctor specializing in obstetrics?
I don't know NC Tigah's occupational background and I don't much care. Since you do, tell me why we should respect his opinion over the several MD's and medical research directors in the linked article that say he's wrong?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:14 pm to Rex
quote:I did read it and it says there is a dispute among doctors and scientists as to whether the products sometimes prevent a fertilized egg from implanting or only prevent an egg from being fertilized.
That particular warning about implantation is clearly OUTDATED, but anti-abortion groups want it to remain despite the science. Did you read the linked article?
It is NOT "clearly outdated." It is disputable. That's all the link you FINALLY gave says.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:14 pm to Rex
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over the several MD's and medical research directors in the linked article that say he's wrong?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:15 pm to SpidermanTUba
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SpidermanTUba
Donning his mask and cape, his faithful sidekick in the culture wars, RexPuppet®.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:15 pm to Rex
Why should I believe linked articles posted selectively by you over an OB, the FDA and the drug maker? umm....
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:15 pm to STEVED00
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Well u can call it whatever u like but the morning after pill is designed to terminate a pregnancy.
Plan B does not terminate pregnancies - by any definition of the word.
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What happens when scientists prove that a child can feel pain in the womb?
Why would you need to prove this?
Obviously a child in a womb can feel pain. It will also die very shortly because children breathe air - using their lungs - and there is no air in a womb. Why would you want to do that?
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 3:15 pm to Rex
Just to jump into this fight, y'all should all know that Rex and MSNBC are both correct.
LNG and UPA both function primarily to prevent ovulation. There has been no scientific evidence showing that they prevent implantation. LNG does is not effective after ovulation. UPA emergency contraception, according to current research, does not affect implantation either. They both work via preventing ovulation.
Now, as for the Copper IUD, that does depend on your opinion of when life begins. It prevents implantation, but it does not disrupt already implanted eggs. If you believe that life begins at fertilization, yes, I could see how you may see it as an abortifacient.
The medical community does not define the Copper IUD as an abortifacient since it does not disrupt an already implanted egg.
Mifeprex does in fact cause disruption of an implanted egg, thus it is an abortifacient.
2 out of 4 are not abortifacients, 1 is iffy, and 1 is an abortifacient.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rex. I still support the Supreme Court's ruling for my own reasons.
LNG and UPA both function primarily to prevent ovulation. There has been no scientific evidence showing that they prevent implantation. LNG does is not effective after ovulation. UPA emergency contraception, according to current research, does not affect implantation either. They both work via preventing ovulation.
Now, as for the Copper IUD, that does depend on your opinion of when life begins. It prevents implantation, but it does not disrupt already implanted eggs. If you believe that life begins at fertilization, yes, I could see how you may see it as an abortifacient.
The medical community does not define the Copper IUD as an abortifacient since it does not disrupt an already implanted egg.
Mifeprex does in fact cause disruption of an implanted egg, thus it is an abortifacient.
2 out of 4 are not abortifacients, 1 is iffy, and 1 is an abortifacient.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rex. I still support the Supreme Court's ruling for my own reasons.
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