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re: America is such a hard place to live for millennials
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:24 am to Scoop
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:24 am to Scoop
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This is the first generation with complete access to the internet.
And it has produced an absolute train wreck.
A lot of things on the internet need to be un-invented.
THANKS, MANBEARPIG GORE.
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:29 am to navy
What's the cutoff for millenials? 1981?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:31 am to NIH
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Would you rather be coming out of college looking for a job then or now?
Now.
Engineers in my city growing up lived in the same subdivision as the working fellas, small 1100-1500 houses 30 years old. Your quality of life will be far better than the average college grad of 1975. .
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:32 am to NIH
quote:basically all of it is a lie but I don't expect anyone who buys it to listen to me. I mean what do I know I was only here for both eras. Meanwhile you get to talk about my era third hand. Although technically I don't think I'm a boomer. Pretty sure boomers are older than 50
What about it is a lie? Would you rather be coming out of college looking for a job then or now?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Now.
Engineers in my city growing up lived in the same subdivision as the working fellas, small 1100-1500 houses 30 years old. Your quality of life will be far better than the average college grad of 1975. .
I don't think your neighborhood in Shreveport as an anecdote defeats that the white collar job market is about a thousand times more competitive
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:49 am to NIH
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I don't think your neighborhood in Shreveport as an anecdote defeats that the white collar job market is about a thousand times more competitive
Depends on what you do. There are still wide open paths, like any time in history. There are also professions getting crowded, like any time in history.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
Now is probably a good time to point out that the college degree statistics are severely skewed. To be completely blunt there are a lot of people holding degrees that nobody gives a frick about and they screw up the stats for how well people with degrees are doing. We have people getting degrees in 2017 that didn't even exist in 1975 and really don't have a good reason for existing now other than mental masturbation.
I mean here let me break some bad news to people. The kid who spent four years working in the different departments at Publix supermarket is much more prepared for the job market then the person who got their gender studies degree and went $50,000 in debt to do it.
I mean here let me break some bad news to people. The kid who spent four years working in the different departments at Publix supermarket is much more prepared for the job market then the person who got their gender studies degree and went $50,000 in debt to do it.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 8:54 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:55 am to ShortyRob
The real difference is women are going into the white collar job market at numbers equal to men, and staying in the market. That wasn't happening 30-40 years ago.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:56 am to NIH
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What about it is a lie? Would you rather be coming out of college looking for a job then or now?
Now definitely.
The opportunities kids have today are amazing.
My 3 oldest are all making over 100k a year.
My first Job out of college was 25k in 1988
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:05 am to ShortyRob
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mean here let me break some bad news to people. The kid who spent four years working in the different departments at Publix supermarket is much more prepared for the job market then the person who got their gender studies degree and went $50,000 in debt to do it.
THIS. Getting a degree for the sake of getting a degree without considering the ROI is a big mistake far too many people make.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:06 am to NIH
quote:That absolutely makes a difference.
The real difference is women are going into the white collar job market at numbers equal to men, and staying in the market. That wasn't happening 30-40 years ago.
But, another difference is that people seem to think that they are supposed to start much higher up the food chain than reality dictates just because they got their 4 year degree in some meh field.
I was seeing that shite while in the Army. We'd get these recruits who had their 4 year degree(you'd be surprised how many enlisted do). The frickers were talking to you about when they got to go to the promotion board before they got the first grass stain on their PT uniform. And they made no bones about it. They'd tout their degree as the "discriminator" for why they should go before their non-degreed peers. They didn't give two fricks if their actual performance was superior to their peers and acted like you were a moron for not kissing their degreed asses.
Then, I got out of the Army and I'm seeing the same shite. People whose parents ensured they never had to work while in HS(cause grades ya know) and often, never had to work while in college........so, they show up degreed with no fricking work ethic.
Meanwhile, by the time I was 22 years old, I'd worked 40 hours per week(minimum) for 5 years.
Hell, I'm seeing people in the job market at age 26 for whom their next job will be their first.......EVER! Of ANY kind!
Trust me. You compare two 26 year old employees regardless of education level and one has worked some actual jobs for 8 years while the other never has..............and I'll show you a pretty damned safe bet on who will be the better employee. Sure, there will be exceptions. But they WILL be exceptions.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:07 am to Loserman
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Now definitely. The opportunities kids have today are amazing. My 3 oldest are all making over 100k a year. My first Job out of college was 25k in 1988
I'll say this. My running comment regarding today is that I thank God for my kid's peers. They're relieving me of a lot of stress related to my own kids.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:08 am to NIH
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The real difference is women are going into the white collar job market at numbers equal to men, and staying in the market. That wasn't happening 30-40 years ago.
So has demand for services.
In your lifetime, you'll work less hours and have a higher standard of living than any time in history.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:But really, all of this conversation is sort of ancillary to me.
So has demand for services. In your lifetime, you'll work less hours and have a higher standard of living than any time in history.
I laugh at the general assertion that anyone would trade being young and alive today for being young and alive in 1975.
If you took the average 25 year old today making say, 25th percentile money.............and time traveled him to 1975 making 60th percentile money..........left him there 6 months..........then asked him if he wanted to return to 2017, you would die in his stampede to the time machine as he ran your arse over to get back.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:13 am to ShortyRob
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If you took the average 25 year old today making say, 25th percentile money.............and time traveled him to 1975 making 60th percentile money..........left him there 6 months..........then asked him if he wanted to return to 2017, you would die in his stampede to the time machine as he ran your arse over to get back.
For sure. This generational hatred is really as bad as SJW bullcrap.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:14 am to ShortyRob
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Now is probably a good time to point out that the college degree statistics are severely skewed. To be completely blunt there are a lot of people holding degrees that nobody gives a frick about and they screw up the stats for how well people with degrees are doing. We have people getting degrees in 2017 that didn't even exist in 1975 and really don't have a good reason for existing now other than mental masturbation.
Yeah, but a lot of people that got those same liberal arts degrees years ago actually got good jobs. Both of my parents are successful and they have liberal arts degrees from state schools. Those same degrees today would net you a grocery store job.
Another big thing is that you could work a part time job in the 70s/80s and pay for your own education. Good luck with that today.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:14 am to ShortyRob
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I don't think I'm a boomer.
1946 to 1966 is the range.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:15 am to Homesick Tiger
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1946 to 1966 is the range.
Safe by a year!!
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:16 am to cahoots
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Yeah, but a lot of people that got those same liberal arts degrees years ago actually got good jobs. Both of my parents are successful and they have liberal arts degrees from state schools.
I think the % of boomers getting a liberal arts degree was actually higher than millenials
The difference is you could get a decent white collar job in 50s-80s by just having a degree.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:19 am to cahoots
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Yeah, but a lot of people that got those same liberal arts degrees years ago actually got good jobs. Both of my parents are successful and they have liberal arts degrees from state schools. Those same degrees today would net you a grocery store job.
Because back then, you actually had to be a decent student to get one.
Now, you've got people who probably shouldn't have graduated HS getting liberal arts degrees from half assed colleges.
We've cheapened the frick out of them. Hell, we've cheapened the frick out of a HS diploma too.
I've said for a while that one of the best things that could happen in this country is if the HS graduation rate dropped by about 20%.
We are so focused on "graduating" these morons but not on whether as if employers won't figure out that a HS diploma is completely non-informative.
An employer SHOULD be able to look at a HS diploma and say to themselves, "I know from seeing this that this guy has a certain base level in ability".
Alas, the diploma says no such thing!
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