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re: America is such a hard place to live for millennials
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:19 am to larry289
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:19 am to larry289
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larry289
You had 4 kids on the equivalent salary of 60K. I don't know if you had income from mom or if she had childcare duties but that is not terrible. If you struggled with providing for children early on maybe you should have waited.
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:20 am to NIH
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The difference is you could get a decent white collar job in 50s-80s by just having a degree.
You still can.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:20 am to ShortyRob
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Safe by a year!!
I'm right in the middle so I have to own it.Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:22 am to ShortyRob
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Because back then, you actually had to be a decent student to get one.
Now, you've got people who probably shouldn't have graduated HS getting liberal arts degrees from half assed colleges.
We've cheapened the frick out of them. Hell, we've cheapened the frick out of a HS diploma too.
I don't disagree that we've done this. A lot more people are going to college and a lot of schools aren't great.
However, what I said still holds. Even a liberal arts degree from a top tier school today won't net you the same kind of job as an average liberal arts student years ago. You have to be pretty sharp to get into a top tier school today.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:25 am to NIH
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I think the % of boomers getting a liberal arts degree was actually higher than millenials The difference is you could get a decent white collar job in 50s-80s by just having a degree
Might I suggest that one would be wise, in ANY era, to examine the market which they will enter and act accordingly?
We're here talking about "white collar jobs" but, um, do you folks know what a WalMart store manager makes? Average nationwide is $92K? In my town, it's about $125K. If that dude moves into district management, he'll go higher. And guess what? Their store managers are almost entirely elevated from within.
A Publix Supermarket manager makes about $85K. Same deal.
And ya know what, THOSE jobs are actually getting EASIER to elevate yourself to because so many millennial are "too good" to go through the wickets to achieve those jobs.
Well I'll give you a hint right now. If I were 18 today and I knew I didn't want to buckle down for a MARKETABLE degree in TODAY's market, I'd fricking bust my arse at Publix before I'd piss away 40K getting a degree that no one wants. Cause guess what. In 4 years, that person with the degree will come apply at Publix and be BEHIND me.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:28 am to cahoots
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you the same kind of job as an average liberal arts student years ago
You're really overestimating this. Again, your lifestyle will eclipse that of people who graduated 40 years ago.
The 70's and 80's were nothing but a series of recessions, high inflation and high interest rates.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:32 am to ShortyRob
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We're here talking about "white collar jobs" but, um, do you folks know what a WalMart store manager makes? Average nationwide is $92K? In my town, it's about $125K. If that dude moves into district management, he'll go higher. And guess what? Their store managers are almost entirely elevated from within.
A Publix Supermarket manager makes about $85K. Same deal.
And ya know what, THOSE jobs are actually getting EASIER to elevate yourself to because so many millennial are "too good" to go through the wickets to achieve those jobs.
What is your evidence that it's any easier to become a store manger at Walmart or Publix than any other professional management position making 85-90K?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:People see these cherry picked stats like "you could buy a house for ABC" and since they weren't actually there, they are being sold a bill of good.
You're really overestimating this. Again, your lifestyle will eclipse that of people who graduated 40 years ago. The 70's and 80's were nothing but a series of recessions, high inflation and high interest rates.
One of the great slights of hand in these discussions is the use of terms that SEEM to apply across the decades but really don't.
"A House" in 1975 in comparison to "a house" in 2017 is only slightly more similar than "a computer" in 1975" vs "a computer" in 2017.
Same for cars.
And that's before we get to all the shite that didn't even exist then or barely existed.
More than half the country didn't have Air Condition in 1975. 3-4 channels was the norm on TV. Obviously, no mobile phones. Something like about half owned a Washer and Dryer. Those were considered upper middle class luxuries. Same for microwaves.
I could go on, but like I said earlier. The typical millennial in the 25th percentile today would rather die in a fire than be in the 50th percentile in 1975.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The 70's and 80's were nothing but a series of recessions, high inflation and high interest rates.
I'd also add that imo, jobs were hard to come by in the 70s because of the wind down of the war. The US just seemed to exist without advancing during the 70s while figuring out which way we needed to proceed.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:40 am to cahoots
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What is your evidence that it's any easier to become a store manger at Walmart or Publix than any other professional management position making 85-90K?
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Assistant customer service manager with less than a year of experience in one of three positions leading to management. The average experience of those promoted into this position is 18 months in one of those prerequisite positions.
•Grocery manager in less than a year as an assistant grocery manager. Average experience of associates promoted to these positions is about three years as an assistant grocery manager.
•Store manager in less than two years of experience as an assistant store manager. Average experience for this position is about five-and-a-half years as assistant store manager.
And this chic went from Single non college educated Mom to better than 100K in 17 years with Walmart. So, by age 37, she was a top 10%er in this country. If you don't feel you can compete with someone like this, that's probably a you problem. I mean, let's be honest here. She's clearly a hard worker but probably not going to be fooling Harvard anytime soon.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:43 am to ShortyRob
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And ya know what, THOSE jobs are actually getting EASIER to elevate yourself to because so many millennial are "too good" to go through the wickets to achieve those jobs.
Correct
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And ya know what, THOSE jobs are actually getting EASIER to elevate yourself to because so many millennial are "too good" to go through the wickets to achieve those jobs. Correct
I mean, not to be all superior here, but have millennials met the typical WalMart manager?
The problem is that while the #1 guy in a store has decent hours, the hours leading up to that aren't 9-5 and millenials think their degree means they are owed 9-5.
Here's another job that pays fricking well and doesn't require a degree at all. Target Distribution Center Management positions. You can run yourself to $70K in a pretty solid hurry there. 100K or better as you move up.
Same problem though. No one wants to pull that 3rd shift for a year or 2 before they move up. I have friends in my neighborhood where the average home is 3500sf and over $400K who work in the local distribution center..........and are NOT degreed.
Stop thinking the market is supposed to conform to your desires and start conforming to the market!!!
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:54 am to ShortyRob
By the way. Have millennial taken the time to ask themselves why so many companies are like WalMart, Target, Amazon etc etc etc where they prefer to develop their management in house over hire a 4 year degreed person to do it?
Companies aren't stupid. If that millennial with the 4 year Gender Studies degree was a better manager, the company would want them.
But not only isn't that the case, I know from talking to my people at the local Target Distribution Center, they consider many degreed people to be a bad fit because that degreed person can't wait to bail at the first opportunity away from the off hours. So, they're a wasted investment who often thinks they're too good for the job in the first place.
Companies aren't stupid. If that millennial with the 4 year Gender Studies degree was a better manager, the company would want them.
But not only isn't that the case, I know from talking to my people at the local Target Distribution Center, they consider many degreed people to be a bad fit because that degreed person can't wait to bail at the first opportunity away from the off hours. So, they're a wasted investment who often thinks they're too good for the job in the first place.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:58 am to ShortyRob
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The problem is that while the #1 guy in a store has decent hours, the hours leading up to that aren't 9-5 and millenials think their degree means they are owed 9-5.
Yeah, absolutely no millennials working in bars and restaurants these days. No nurses either.
Among my circle of friends in the 20-30 range, I would say that almost half work irregular hours.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:02 am to ShortyRob
quote:you're so clueless
the hours leading up to that aren't 9-5 and millenials think their degree means they are owed 9-5.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:02 am to ShortyRob
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No one wants to pull that 3rd shift for a year or 2 before they move up.
Boom. I worked my job for 42 years. Only the last 12 years did I have a job where I was home every night, off on the weekends and most holidays.
Oh yeah, it was the lowest paying job I held during those 42 years but I didn't g.a.s. I was content.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:03 am to ShortyRob
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But not only isn't that the case, I know from talking to my people at the local Target Distribution Center, they consider many degreed people to be a bad fit because that degreed person can't wait to bail at the first opportunity away from the off hours. So, they're a wasted investment who often thinks they're too good for the job in the first place.
So millennials should forgo college degrees and instead confine themselves to working at Target or Walmart? What happens in a few years when those retail jobs inevitably disappear?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:05 am to ShortyRob
Yes but millenials have ethics. We won't work for stores like Walmart and target that are bad for our communities and the environment. That's why I work for an organic candle startup
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:08 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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you're so clueless
It's true. I work in a professional setting and the millennials crave the irregular stuff associated with work - irregular hours, business travel, experimental projects, etc. It's the older folks that want the 9-5 and the paycheck more than the experiences.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:11 am to cahoots
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So millennials should forgo college degrees and instead confine themselves to working at Target or Walmart?
I think he is talking about kid's that will rack up 50k in debt for a pointless degree. He's saying there are alternatives that probably make more sense.
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