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re: America is such a hard place to live for millennials
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:14 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:14 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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you're so clueless
You guys act like those of us who are 50 don't regularly interact with millennials. I mean, we only have to hire them, groom them, etc etc.
What? You think my organization is only 50 and up?
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:16 am to cahoots
quote:Nope.
So millennials should forgo college degrees and instead confine themselves to working at Target or Walmart?
Here's a crazy thought. You could always do both!
quote:Well, if you did the above, you'd wake up with a degree AND actual management experience.
What happens in a few years when those retail jobs inevitably disappear?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:17 am to cahoots
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It's the older folks that want the 9-5 and the paycheck more than the experiences.
Don't you think those older people went through the same thing? I know I did. They're called shitty hours for a reason but I can promise you that 95% of us older folks persevered through those times. We accepted it because we knew that in 10-12 years we would be the people with the better hours.
Patience was a virtue back then. Today, patience is a liability to most millennials.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:18 am to Jorts R Us
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I think he is talking about kid's that will rack up 50k in debt for a pointless degree. He's saying there are alternatives that probably make more sense.
Oh I agree with his point that education has been watered down, resulting in a lot of "pointless" degree programs.
I just think it's funny that the alternative suggestion is putting all of your eggs in the RETAIL industry. Talk about not being future proof
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:19 am to ShortyRob
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Well, if you did the above, you'd wake up with a degree AND actual management experience.
Dude I work for a major accounting/consulting firm. We don't hire former target managers. lol
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:21 am to cahoots
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Dude I work for a major accounting/consulting firm. We don't hire former target managers. lol
Yeah, KPMG doesn't really give a shite if you managed pothead stockboys at Winn Dixie.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
Look guys. It's really no skin off my teeth if you don't listen to me.
I can't force you to take the advice of someone who is IN the market. Someone who has to hire in the market. Someone who has actual experience doing so and interacts with many peers who do so.
But, might I point something out? Even YOU guys acknowledge that clearly, there is a market mismatch going on out there for millennials. You don't have to accept my diagnoses for WHY that is.
But, you might at least consider that the best way to make yourself a match for the market is to listen to those in the market. I mean, you can just bitch that it's fricked up if you like, but I doubt that's going to be nearly as effective.
You know what I did at age fricking 45? I needed to make a career transition. Do you think I picked something out of a hat based solely on what I wanted? Nope.
I literally networked my arse off just to learn the market around me where I wanted to land. I ended up discovering that at least here in the Huntsville area, the field I'm in now is oddly thin and was an OK match for my experience. I was 2 years from transition, so, I promptly got a Masters Degree focusing on the field I believed had potential.
And, viola', here I am.
Some of my friends are stunned at how "easy" my transition went. To which I say, "the frick it was easy". I had to take the Goddamned GMAT at age 45, work full time and get a Masters in a sort of new field!.
I can't force you to take the advice of someone who is IN the market. Someone who has to hire in the market. Someone who has actual experience doing so and interacts with many peers who do so.
But, might I point something out? Even YOU guys acknowledge that clearly, there is a market mismatch going on out there for millennials. You don't have to accept my diagnoses for WHY that is.
But, you might at least consider that the best way to make yourself a match for the market is to listen to those in the market. I mean, you can just bitch that it's fricked up if you like, but I doubt that's going to be nearly as effective.
You know what I did at age fricking 45? I needed to make a career transition. Do you think I picked something out of a hat based solely on what I wanted? Nope.
I literally networked my arse off just to learn the market around me where I wanted to land. I ended up discovering that at least here in the Huntsville area, the field I'm in now is oddly thin and was an OK match for my experience. I was 2 years from transition, so, I promptly got a Masters Degree focusing on the field I believed had potential.
And, viola', here I am.
Some of my friends are stunned at how "easy" my transition went. To which I say, "the frick it was easy". I had to take the Goddamned GMAT at age 45, work full time and get a Masters in a sort of new field!.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:24 am to Jorts R Us
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I think he is talking about kid's that will rack up 50k in debt for a pointless degree. He's saying there are alternatives that probably make more sense.
No degree is pointless. I would argue that my degree in philosophy is more valuable than anything else I own, because a life not examined is a life not lived. If no company will hire me that's their loss
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:24 am to cahoots
quote:Well, fortunately, you aren't the only company on the planet.
Dude I work for a major accounting/consulting firm. We don't hire former target managers. lol
And are you really telling me that if someone, while managing at Target, worked their asses off and got their Master's Degree in Accounting from a solid university, you'd say, "meh, we can't hire people who used to work at Target"?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:25 am to el Gaucho
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No degree is pointless. I would argue that my degree in philosophy is more valuable than anything else I own, because a life not examined is a life not lived. If no company will hire me that's their loss
I have no grief you want to engage in mental masturbation as long as you don't bitch that no one wants to hire you to mentally masturbate.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:26 am to cahoots
quote:And, well. To add to my prior response.
Dude I work for a major accounting/consulting firm. We don't hire former target managers. lol
Obviously, people who get credible accounting degrees are pretty friggin marketable even in today's market.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:27 am to cahoots
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So millennials should forgo college degrees and instead confine themselves to working at Target or Walmart?
How about both.
Millennials on TD are just impatient and can't see the future.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:30 am to ShortyRob
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But, might I point something out? Even YOU guys acknowledge that clearly, there is a market mismatch going on out there for millennials. You don't have to accept my diagnoses for WHY that is.
But, you might at least consider that the best way to make yourself a match for the market is to listen to those in the market. I mean, you can just bitch that it's fricked up if you like, but I doubt that's going to be nearly as effective.
I do agree with you here but the reason for the mismatch is simple - The world is moving at a faster clip and yet education is becoming more capital intensive - both in terms of time and money. The mismatch happens because the capital intensive programs can't adapt fast enough to the market demands. And companies need people to hit the ground running, so they aren't willing to train employees like they used to
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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How about both.
Target won't put college students on a management path because they know you can bail. You can't really do both
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
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And are you really telling me that if someone, while managing at Target, worked their asses off and got their Master's Degree in Accounting from a solid university, you'd say, "meh, we can't hire people who used to work at Target"?
Yes. The Big 4 don't really hire people looking to start a 2nd career in Accounting. It happens but it's rare. Military can be an exception.
If you worked your way up to Store Manager at Target, your window is most likely closed if you want to work in Big 4.
I think you've given good advice but it is industry specific.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
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Obviously, people who get credible accounting degrees are pretty friggin marketable even in today's market.
My older brother found out that an accounting degree by itself had a fairly low ceiling, so he got his MBA and is a CPA. He's done fairly well for himself.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yep
How about both. Millennials on TD are just impatient and can't see the future.
The key to any job market on the planet is really fairly simple.
Why you think you should be hired is nearly 100% irrelevant.
You need to figure out why other people hire.
Put yourself in THEIR shoes. Wonder what THEIR experiences are with employees similar to you. Try and figure out why the successful employees that appear similar to you are succeeding. Why they got hired. What made them slightly different?
Try and figure out why the guy you know who appears similar to you and can't get an interview short of kidnapping someone is having problems. See if you share any of them and if you can fix them.
This shite really isn't all that hard. It's just that somewhere along the line, we convinced people that a degree fit nearly perfectly into an if-then statement.
IE, "If Degree then Good Job".
That really never was true, but even if you believe it used to be, unless you own a time machine, that shite isn't gonna do you any good.
Find out what the REAL "If-Then" statement is TODAY!
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Hmm. Enters market. Identifies deficiency. Figures out what fills deficiency. Fills it.
My older brother found out that an accounting degree by itself had a fairly low ceiling, so he got his MBA and is a CPA. He's done fairly well for himself.
That's fricking crazy talk!!!
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:35 am to ShortyRob
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Hmm. Enters market. Identifies deficiency. Figures out what fills deficiency. Fills it.
Yep, and he worked at a frickin 7-11 while going to school. Its all paid off for him.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:35 am to Jorts R Us
quote:Well then, I suspect that you'll be fine elsewhere with that high speed accounting degree and management experience.
If you worked your way up to Store Manager at Target, your window is most likely closed if you want to work in Big 4.
In fact, you show me someone with a Masters in Accounting here in Huntsville who also owns management experience where they were responsible for more than $500k in weekly volume and nearly 100 employees and I'll show you someone I'll have making six figures before I finish Thanksgiving Dinner this year.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:37 am
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