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re: Amazon and Jeff Bezos murdered those people at the warehouse hit by tornado.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:18 am to troyt37
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:18 am to troyt37
They don't have to build them if they don't want to. But it would better to make for example the break rooms in those designated areas stronger like a safe room. Employees need a place for safety just in case of a natural disaster or a state of emergency.
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:20 am to pankReb
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I mean you're not supposed to leave during a storm in the first place....that's pretty standard protocol just in the name of common sense.
So, we’re not going to provide for your safety, and you aren’t allowed to provide for your own safety. Nobody has a problem with this?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:21 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
candle factory tops bezos.
they threatened to fire people who wanted to get in cars and go home after the warnings.
they threatened to fire people who wanted to get in cars and go home after the warnings.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:28 am to troyt37
The reason they weren't allowed to leave is because they don't want to be held liable for them. If they leave they are terminated on the spot. But I would have allowed them to clock out and leave the property and once that done then the facility will not be responsible for any death in any natural disaster.
Sometimes an employee doesn't have a choice but to stay because they don't have enough time to escape an impending tornado.
Sometimes an employee doesn't have a choice but to stay because they don't have enough time to escape an impending tornado.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:37 am to troyt37
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So, we’re not going to provide for your safety,
They’re providing for their safety. They’re not providing for their safety to the extent that you would like. I suspect they followed all the building codes and OSHA regs.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:39 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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When I worked in manufacturing the company I worked for went above and beyond the OSHA regular regulations. They were willing to spend millions to not have a bad name for employee deaths.
Good for you but I can promise you the company you worked for was an outlier and not the norm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:42 am to Flats
That depends on how fast and cheap they want the warehouses built.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:16 am to Flats
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They’re providing for their safety. They’re not providing for their safety to the extent that you would like. I suspect they followed all the building codes and OSHA regs.
That I would like? I don’t know any of these people, but I know they are fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters. I know that other people’s lives depend on them coming home from work. We know that the bulk of the posts here are terribly concerned about the impact requirements like these would cause, and damn few seem to have considered the impact of a kid no longer having a father or mother.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:35 am to CelticDog
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candle factory tops bezos.
they threatened to fire people who wanted to get in cars and go home after the warnings.
Some defied the manager and left anyway. They were the lucky ones.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:11 am to pankReb
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I mean you're not supposed to leave during a storm in the first place....that's pretty standard protocol just in the name of common sense.
the common sense killed him, fyi.
Also how the hell do you keep someone not on the clock there. I get it if he was working.
Last, Its a Giant warehouse or mainly metal. No thanks..
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:14 am to Indefatigable
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Nobody died in my warehouse due to my greed when they knew there a supercell tornado with reports of major damage in it's wake.
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You’re an idiot.
Sorry for me spitting facts that you can't handle.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:18 am to pankReb
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I mean you're not supposed to leave during a storm in the first place....that's pretty standard protocol just in the name of common sense.
Common sense for most storms, but this thing was a supercell and had pretty much been on the ground for over 100 miles already.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:21 am to Mickey Goldmill
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So you want a precedent that forces all business owners who build new buildings to include storm shelters for their employees? Are you a small government proponent as well?
Also well stocked panic rooms in case of a terrorist attack.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:24 am to Flats
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They’re providing for their safety. They’re not providing for their safety to the extent that you would like. I suspect they followed all the building codes and OSHA regs.
You're not providing for their safety if the building codes and OSHA regs don't protect employees above a EF3 tornado. I think it's a moral responsibility at that point IF YOU have the FUNDS to do it.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 10:26 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Alabama has built a bunch of community storm shelters. They're 10 x 48 feet and have a capacity of 96 people. They also cost between $50K to $100K.
Amazon has 110 warehouses in the US. That would be around $11 million dollars for the higher end shelters. Amazon makes more than that in a day. That's why I see this particular issue as murder. They may not be murders by law, but they are in my judgement.
Amazon has 110 warehouses in the US. That would be around $11 million dollars for the higher end shelters. Amazon makes more than that in a day. That's why I see this particular issue as murder. They may not be murders by law, but they are in my judgement.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 11:00 am to mizslu314
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Also how the hell do you keep someone not on the clock there. I get it if he was working.
There's this whole "free will" thing that makes me call BS about them "not letting" people go home that have been off the clock. Did they hold them at gun point? If not then all they did was advise them not to leave because going out in the storm is more dangerous.
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Last, Its a Giant warehouse or mainly metal. No thanks..
You have MUCH more of a chance getting killed by debris from driving than having a large building sustain a direct hit from a tornado.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 11:02 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Common sense for most storms, but this thing was a supercell and had pretty much been on the ground for over 100 miles already.
You realize that no one can predict the exact path of a tornado right? Please tell me you realize that....
Posted on 12/14/21 at 11:03 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Posted on 12/14/21 at 11:05 am to troyt37
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So now we are shutting down all commerce in every area where there’s an elevated risk of severe weather in the next sixty minutes?
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Well, yeah.
so....it's your belief that we should completely shut down all commerce over multiple states whenever there's a threat of severe storms.
...that might not be what you actually believe but that is what your logic would lead to.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 12:22 pm to pankReb
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so....it's your belief that we should completely shut down all commerce over multiple states whenever there's a threat of severe storms.
...that might not be what you actually believe but that is what your logic would lead to.
I was trying to point out absurdity by being absurd.
On one hand, it's entirely too much of a hardship to expect or require a business owner to do a single thing to provide for the safety of their employees.
On the other hand, it's oh hell no, you can't leave and provide for your own safety either, we'll fire your arse. And we can't have a work stoppage for every storm that pops up.
Am I the only one who gets visions of slaves chained to a boat, being told to work harder as the storm rages?
It's like gun free zones. We aren't going to do a damn thing to provide for your safety and security, and we'll throw your arse in prison if you try to do it yourself.
ETA: My point was that you wouldn't have to shut down and all that, if you provided a safe place for your employees to go for 30 minutes while a tornado warned storm passed.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 12:25 pm
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