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re: 1992 Ross Perot predicted our country after Nafta
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:42 pm to SirWinston
Posted on 12/1/16 at 3:42 pm to SirWinston
quote:Finally we can agree on something.
I'm so glad your team lost
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:07 pm to stinkdawg
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Perot's VP pick was a senile retired admiral from the civil war
One of the first shot down and the last to leave Viet Nam, James Stockdale was awarded the Medal of Honor for his conduct as a POW.
He was far from senile, was a distinguished academic after his Navy service, as well as an author, and the Navy award for inspirational leadership is named in his honor.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:21 pm to buckeye_vol
Most of the jobs you listed here are lower paying. For many, it's just not enough when you factor in the cost of having a job - transportation & child care.
The nationwide push for everyone getting a college education is a huge factor. There are plenty of well paying jobs that require training instead of a degree - plumbing, hvac, auto mechanic, welders, electricians - even some programming. Some of these jobs make close to 6 figures a year with experience and specialized training and there are HUGE shortages.
I believe the best way to address this problem is:
1) 2 year max on welfare benefits (housing, food stamps, etc)
2) Participation in and passing a regulated training program is mandatory to receive monthly benefits. (PTO can be accumulated and used, as needed, just like a real job to cover sick time)
3) Benefits are paid out monthly and dependent on training participation. Child care is covered while in training.
4) Sliding scale benefits are continued for 1st year of employment, including child care & bus passes (if needed)
By addressing all legitimate hurdles to employment while taking away the incentive to stay home, we can train and push people back into the workforce.
The nationwide push for everyone getting a college education is a huge factor. There are plenty of well paying jobs that require training instead of a degree - plumbing, hvac, auto mechanic, welders, electricians - even some programming. Some of these jobs make close to 6 figures a year with experience and specialized training and there are HUGE shortages.
I believe the best way to address this problem is:
1) 2 year max on welfare benefits (housing, food stamps, etc)
2) Participation in and passing a regulated training program is mandatory to receive monthly benefits. (PTO can be accumulated and used, as needed, just like a real job to cover sick time)
3) Benefits are paid out monthly and dependent on training participation. Child care is covered while in training.
4) Sliding scale benefits are continued for 1st year of employment, including child care & bus passes (if needed)
By addressing all legitimate hurdles to employment while taking away the incentive to stay home, we can train and push people back into the workforce.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:26 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:Sure. But is the better alternative to focus on jobs that are going to become increasingly rarer, even if brought back to the United States years down the line?
Most of the jobs you listed here are lower paying. For many, it's just not enough when you factor in the cost of having a job - transportation & child care.
quote:And that's why I mentioned focusing on education and training (and fit) so people can fill these jobs.
There are plenty of well paying jobs that require training instead of a degree - plumbing, hvac, auto mechanic, welders, electricians - even some programming. Some of these jobs make close to 6 figures a year with experience and specialized training and there are HUGE shortages.
quote:Agreed!
By addressing all legitimate hurdles to employment while taking away the incentive to stay home, we can train and push people back into the workforce.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:49 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
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So, it's HIS fault that Americans are dumbed-down, ignorant, narcissistic sheople.
Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering who's fault it is/was.
Ummmmmmmm, I'm gonna go with 'you're an idiot' for a thousand Alex.
What I'm saying is if Perot hadn't backed out and then rejoined the race because someone said something mean to his daughter he'd have won. There would have been no NAFTA and the Clintons would not have become the blackened soul of the Democrat party.
And yes, a lot of dumbing down has happened since then, a whole fuqing lot.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:55 pm to mtntiger
quote:
I think what ruined his chance of being President was lost when he introduced his running mate. That guy was looney tunes.
No he ruined his chances by dropping out of the race and blaming it on HW having naked pictures of his daughter.
Perot was leading in the polls the summer before the election.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:57 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:11 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
You aren't training hammer swingers to be financial analysts no matter how much we would all like that to be possible.
Actually we have too many financial analysts now and technology does a much better job than most of them anyway. What we need to be teaching folks is that they can't remain static in their skill-sets. Otherwise, like the vacuum tube, they'll be obsolete. What makes it so tough on so many, is both their skill-set and their location become barriers to gainful employment.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:24 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
So, it's HIS fault that Americans are dumbed-down, ignorant, narcissistic sheople.
no shithead that is the fault of whoever had controlled public education for the last 50 years
wonder who that would be
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:27 pm to 756
Too bad we didn't listen to Perot about that sucking sound. Instead Clinton came along with women in mind and a giant sucking sound of a different kind.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:29 pm to 756
Perot had ZERO shot at winning. The only thing he was going to accomplish was get Clinton elected.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:35 pm to mtntiger
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:41 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
There are jobs available, why don't we figure out ways to get the filled
We have figured out how to fill them. Remove cradle to grave welfare. There's no reason for American's to enter entry level manufacturing jobs, they make more having babies and playing Madden all day.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:52 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
So, it's HIS fault that Americans are dumbed-down, ignorant, narcissistic sheople.
Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering who's fault it is/was.
Lol. Yes! People were too busy voting on abortion, affirmative action, "values", reaganomics, and welfare to really understand wtf he was saying. Some things never change. Thank you, "silent majority " for your endless string of the same thing over and over but with a different slogan!
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:42 am to 756
quote:
1992 Ross Perot predicted our country after Nafta
And proved it with a well organized bar graph on large format, heavy bond paper.
The pointer wasn't just for presentations, it was for smacking people upside their head with the common sense it revealed.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:59 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
I just had a conversation with some educators, and apparently there are hundreds of bus driving positions, clerical positions, etc. that can't be filled within Columbus City Schools.
uh, cant pass the required drug screenings, and background checks. That problem exists in districts all over the US. Absolutely nothing to do with people needing to be retrained
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:02 am to MrCarton
quote:
This will go over well.
It's true. Since 1970, the percent of manufacturing jobs has decreased from 30% of all private employees to about 10%. When we look at the balance of trade deficit as a percent of GDP, we get about 3-4%. While not exact, we can reasonably say, that trade has only cost about that percentage of manufacturing jobs. The rest of the loss has come from technology, capital, and regulations.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 8:07 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:16 am to FearlessFreep
quote:
No offense, but you have no idea what the frick you're talking about.
That General (I forget his name). was the very worst possible pick if he wanted to get elected. He had the worst public persona imaginable. After the VP debate, their candidacy was sunk, if it ever had a chance.
His standard answer to all questions was, "It's in the book".
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:20 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
One of the first shot down and the last to leave Viet Nam, James Stockdale was awarded the Medal of Honor for his conduct as a POW.
He was far from senile, was a distinguished academic after his Navy service, as well as an author, and the Navy award for inspirational leadership is named in his honor.
You forgot, terrible public speaker, unprepared for debates and not able to connect with the electorate, all of which made him a terrible pick for V-P running mate.
He may have made a great VP, but as a running made he was an albatross around Perot's neck.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:28 am to The Boat
quote:
No he ruined his chances by dropping out of the race and blaming it on HW having naked pictures of his daughter.
What? IS this true?
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