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re: Mahmud Abdul Rauf Says The NBA Is Not As Good As It Used to Be
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:19 am to lsupride87
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:19 am to lsupride87
We just need to get together at a bar and rent it out and show three games:
Lakers vs Celtics playoff game from the 80s
Bulls vs Jazz from the 90s
Heat vs Spurs from 2013
We will then discuss which is a better brand of basketball. I think the 80s/90s people will be absolutely embarrassed that they were claiming it was better. I am not saying that the players were worse, but the game has evolved and the product is better in terms of team offense/team defense
Lakers vs Celtics playoff game from the 80s
Bulls vs Jazz from the 90s
Heat vs Spurs from 2013
We will then discuss which is a better brand of basketball. I think the 80s/90s people will be absolutely embarrassed that they were claiming it was better. I am not saying that the players were worse, but the game has evolved and the product is better in terms of team offense/team defense
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:33 am to PrimeTime Money
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It still amazes me when people who have played the game their whole life are so clueless when it comes to the x's and o's of the game.
Is this something you have done???? Played the game your whole life????
Basketball in the 80's and 90's is much better than today.... Are the athletes better?? Maybe not. But the game itself was way better played...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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We just need to get together at a bar and rent it out and show three games: Lakers vs Celtics playoff game from the 80s Bulls vs Jazz from the 90s Heat vs Spurs from 2013
I woyld love to do this with you... You would leave with a different opionion//////////////
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:03 pm to AlaTiger
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Found this interview with him from a few years ago. He says that he was essentially blackballed because of the Muslim conversion and that his best years were taken away from him. Pretty interesting.
Didn't seem to hurt Shaq.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:21 pm to AlaTiger
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Do you think Rauf knows what he's talking about
Yes
Cue the but everyone can jump higher crowd
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:54 pm to AlaTiger
The game is over-all better today than it has ever been. Teams are deeper and defensive schemes are better.
With that said, I agree with some of what CJ is saying. Players today often times only have one or two skills, but I am not sure that is a bad thing. It's kind of like how bullpens have evolved in MLB. The pitchers today aren't better, but they are used differently, and more specifically.
I think that the only facet of the game today that is worse, and by worse I mean much much worse, is post-play.
Big men today suck compared to big men in the late 80's early 90's. (Overall, obviously AD is great etc.)
With that said, I agree with some of what CJ is saying. Players today often times only have one or two skills, but I am not sure that is a bad thing. It's kind of like how bullpens have evolved in MLB. The pitchers today aren't better, but they are used differently, and more specifically.
I think that the only facet of the game today that is worse, and by worse I mean much much worse, is post-play.
Big men today suck compared to big men in the late 80's early 90's. (Overall, obviously AD is great etc.)
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:54 pm to dukke v
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Basketball in the 80's and 90's is much better than today.... Are the athletes better?? Maybe not. But the game itself was way better played...
What metric would you like to use to gauge this load of shite?
The last 10 years in the NBA are as good of a stretch as you'll find in the history of the NBA. Few stretches in the 80s and 90s even compare, much less exceed, the current NBA.
Let me interpret what people mean when they pine for the glory days:
1) Overall, the centers in today's game are not as good as they were in the 80s and 90s.
2) The mid-range jumper is no longer a prominent skill in today's game.
I won't argue against #1, but I would contest that is hasn't cost the current game in the slightest bit, primarily because the talent at the other positions, particularly the 1-3, is much better than it was in the 80s and 90s.
As for #2, who cares? It is the most inefficient shot in an offensive set. The eFG% in today's game is as good as it has ever been - significantly better than it was for most of the 80s and 90s.
The bottom line is that a few great teams in those decades have overshadowed a relatively piss-poor league. If you want to argue that today's game is on par with previous eras, fine, but to say it is inferior is retarded. There is seriously nothing to support that asinine statement.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:57 pm to slackster
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As for #2, who cares? It is the most inefficient shot in an offensive set.
yes watching lance Stephenson shoot 17% on the season from three is thrilling, outstanding basketball
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:57 pm to Solo
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Big men today suck compared to big men in the late 80's early 90's.
That is a fair assessment.
However, in the same breath you have to mention how much guard play, and wing play to a lesser extent, has improved since then. I believe the improvements here have more than offset the lack of talented big men.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:58 pm to danfraz
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yes watching lance Stephenson shoot 17% on the season from three is thrilling, outstanding basketball
I find it funny that a conversation comparing the overall NBA today to that of yesteryear usually devolves into posters cherrypicking individual players to support their opinions.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:01 pm to slackster
Just a example
Game style is different now and I prefer what I watched as a kid. I watch games now but I'm not nearly as entertained. I'm old though, passion for sports wanes as the years progress
Game style is different now and I prefer what I watched as a kid. I watch games now but I'm not nearly as entertained. I'm old though, passion for sports wanes as the years progress
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:02 pm to slackster
PG play has improved. Not sure about "Guard" or "Wing" play though. The bottom half of the league's guard play and wing play is probably better today, but I would definitely debate you on whether the elites are better.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:23 pm to PrimeTime Money
CJ/Mahmud - this is the 30 for 30 that needs to be made.
Greatest freshman season ever by a college basketball player. Unreal ability. Steph Curry is what CJ was supposed to be in the NBA.
I believe he was drafted top 5 overall after his sophomore season, converts to Islam, drastically gains weight then loses weight, disrespects the national anthem, and was never the same.
The chapter in Dale Brown's book about CJ is awesome.
Greatest freshman season ever by a college basketball player. Unreal ability. Steph Curry is what CJ was supposed to be in the NBA.
I believe he was drafted top 5 overall after his sophomore season, converts to Islam, drastically gains weight then loses weight, disrespects the national anthem, and was never the same.
The chapter in Dale Brown's book about CJ is awesome.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:28 pm to ScoopAndScore
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I believe he was drafted top 5 overall after his sophomore season, converts to Islam, drastically gains weight then loses weight, disrespects the national anthem, and was never the same.
I think he was drafted #3 overall by Paul Westhead who became the Denver Nuggets coach. CJ was told he was too small so he added some weight, which took away from his quickness. After a so-so start in the NBA, he got back to his normal playing weight and started playing good basketball. Then the Muslim inspired "not standing for the National Anthem" controversy hit and in an instant he was gone.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:28 pm to Solo
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I would definitely debate you on whether the elites are better.
You won't find much argument from me. I'm of the opinion that the legitimately elite players of an era could be successful in any era.
As for this thread, the topic is whether the NBA has deteriorated in quality since the 80s and 90s, and obviously my opinion is that is most definitely has not.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:27 pm to danfraz
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passion for sports wanes as the years progress
I think this has a lot to with with the nostalgia of some posters. They like that era better because they liked basketball more.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:33 pm to slackster
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and wing play to a lesser extent, has improved since then. I believe the improvements here have more than offset the lack of talented big men.
Ok the soring was a bit higher back then....But jumpshots are jumpshots and guys penetrating the lane are the same... I see a lot of guys being too unselfish in todays games and I see way worse play over all.. Like I said. The Players are better fit and may be able to make more highlight reel shots but there is not that much difference...It depends on age and what you lived through....
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:34 pm to danfraz
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passion for sports wanes as the years progress
I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to me
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:40 pm to AlaTiger
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He says that he was essentially blackballed because of the Muslim conversion and that his best years were taken away from him. Pretty interesting.
Well that's a very broad strokes way of seeing it
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Abdul-Rauf is perhaps best known for the controversy created when he refused to stand for "The Star-Spangled Banner" before games,[6] stating that the flag was a symbol of oppression and that the United States had a long history of tyranny.
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