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re: John Chavis sues LSU and aTm

Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:00 am to
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6364 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:00 am to
You can't give notice and immediately start working for a different employer. Him wearing TAMU gear in an in home visit with a TAMU recruit and Sumlin means everything. He was clearly working for TAMU at that point, or at the very least working against the interests of LSU, whom he's claiming was his employer at that time.
Posted by TigerRoad
Alexandria
Member since Jan 2015
163 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:05 am to
Sumlin can't help a brother out? If Chief walks, he's screwed, ha ha ha......
Posted by kingfish
Member since Jan 2007
853 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:27 am to
This will be very embarrassing for TAM. First, it does not matter about when he turned in his resignation, the fact is he accepted another job and starting working for a new employer. LSU attorneys will schedule tons of depositons that will embarrass A&M. Chavis will be asked under oath all the details of every conversation with A&M, what, when, where, who, etc. then Sumlin will be asked. Recruts who Chavis met with could be deposed, documents will be subpoenaed, hotel recipes, phone records, credit cards. Any evidence that proves Chavis had left LSU and was working for A&M will be uncoverd. This is not going to look good for A&M , especially the contact made before the bowl game.
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5318 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:55 am to
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He'll dominate the trial but lose it at the end.


Posted by Bayoutigre
29.9N 92.1W
Member since Feb 2007
5607 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 1:38 pm to
from bits and pieces I have read there is no buyout in Chavis final year of his contract.supposedly his contract expired in Januarty,what day,not sure.Are details publicly available?
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

You can't give notice and immediately start working for a different employer. Him wearing TAMU gear in an in home visit with a TAMU recruit and Sumlin means everything. He was clearly working for TAMU at that point, or at the very least working against the interests of LSU, whom he's claiming was his employer at that time.


Either that or the Orderlies committed a significant recruiting violation. That should be suggested to the SEC/NCAA.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6364 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 2:15 pm to
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from bits and pieces I have read there is no buyout in Chavis final year of his contract.supposedly his contract expired in Januarty,what day,not sure.Are details publicly available?


The bits and pieces you've read should probably include the op of this thread that you're posting in. It's pretty clearly stated there.
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2176 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:02 pm to
When you give notice, your employer can start interviewing your replacement immediately. However, in most circumstances you may not start your duties for your new employer until you have fulfilled your obligations to your now former employer.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35362 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:17 pm to
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When you give notice, your employer can start interviewing your replacement immediately. However, in most circumstances you may not start your duties for your new employer until you have fulfilled your obligations to your now former employer.
When you give notice on a contract, it usually means you are terminating the contract early. He wasn't signing an extension. Telling your employer that you don't intend to extend your contract is a normal thing in every profession. Is it LSU's claim that Chavis should have said nothing right up until Feb 1st?

I think this will be a quick defeat for LSU and we are lucky AtM isn't firing him over this or we could be on the hook for his next contract too.
Posted by BLUEBEARD
BERMUDA TRIANGLE
Member since Aug 2014
547 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 4:42 pm to
Screw atm and chevis.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14942 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 5:02 pm to
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Is it LSU's claim that Chavis should have said nothing right up until Feb 1st?


Not as much as is (likely) their claim that he began fulfilling his duties at a new place of employment prior to his 11th to last month of employment at LSU. If he weren't an aTm employee in the public eye until 2/1, I could understand your "quick defeat" statement. As things are with the announcement and actions depicting those of an aTm employee, I cannot say that I agree with you.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35362 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 5:50 pm to
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Not as much as is (likely) their claim that he began fulfilling his duties at a new place of employment prior to his 11th to last month of employment at LSU. 
There weren't any responsibilities after the bowl game in December. Then after Aleva announced that Chavis owed them $400k on January 2nd, I think that pretty much severed all ties and obligations to LSU. We may find out in the court case, but I can believe that Chavis was relieved of all duties immediately after the bowl game, if he even coached the bowl game.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14942 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:46 pm to
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There weren't any responsibilities after the bowl game in December.


Link?

quote:

Then after Aleva announced that Chavis owed them $400k on January 2nd


Allegedly because he announced he took a job at aTm and took a private airplane to start work there/meet with their athletic department and football coaches.

quote:

I think that pretty much severed all ties and obligations to LSU.

Agreed. All ties were severed due to his actions before his contract was 11 months from over, leaving him on the hook for $400,000.


quote:

We may find out in the court case, but I can believe that Chavis was relieved of all duties immediately after the bowl game, if he even coached the bowl game.


That's a fine theory. Kind of odd that he was at the game in the box in LSU gear if that were the case.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40090 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 12:49 am to
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what makes people think he quit before this date?

this

quote:

The man formally known as LSU's defensive coordinator John Chavis still has yet to be introduced as Texas A&M's defensive coordinator. But that doesn't mean the Chief hasn't hit the recruiting trail, trying to load up the Aggies Class of 2015.
LINK
So he either quit before 2/4/14 or he recruited for A&M while being employed by LSU.
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9034 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:41 am to
Chavis is just playing some prevent defense, what s character.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:46 am to
So if Chavis wasn't an A&M employee while recruiting, then he would fall under "representative of the institution's athletics interests."

quote:

A "representative of the institution's athletics interests" is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)

(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program;

(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;

(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or

(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.


Such a "representative of the institution's athletics interests" falls under this NCAA bylaw:

quote:

All in-person, on- and off-campus recruiting contacts with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's relatives or legal guardians shall be made only by authorized institutional staff members. Such contact, as well as correspondence and telephone calls, by representatives of an institution's athletics interests is prohibited except as otherwise permitted in this section.


quote:

All telephone calls made to a prospective student-athlete (or the prospective student-athlete's parents, legal guardians or coaches) must be made by the head coach or one or more of the assistant coaches who count toward the numerical limitations in Bylaw 11.7.6 (see Bylaw 11.7.2).


If during discovery or deposition, attorneys find that Chavis made phone calls, the above might apply.

I don't think there are any applicable exceptions that would fall under the caveat "Except as otherwise permitted in this section."
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22495 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 6:37 am to
I like that LSU has filed a counter suit inside LA, since after all, it is a LA based contract in question. That should more than level the playing field.
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16336 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 6:45 am to
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Took him 3 tries before he finally got through to his lawyer


He better hope that his "defense" lawyer doesn't lost it for him at the end.
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16336 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 6:47 am to
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So he either quit before 2/4/14 or he recruited for A&M while being employed by LSU.


Does he have a tumor in his belly?
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