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re: Glock approved for use by Marines Special Forces
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:44 am to Clames
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:44 am to Clames
Army rejects Beretta M9A3 Proposal
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"Obviously, they didn't take a whole lot of time on this," said Gabriele De Plano, vice president of military marketing and sales for Beretta USA, reacting to the news of the Army's pre-Christmas decision after the M9A3's December 10 unveiling. The Army maintains that the M9 design does not meet the MHS requirement. Soldiers have complained of reliability issues with the M9. One problem has to do with the M9's slide-mounted safety. During malfunction drills, the shooter often engages the lever-style safety by accident, Army weapons officials say.
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Reliability was also a non-factor, M9 has a MRBF of 20,000+ rds so I'm not sure why you think the Glock is definitively more reliable.
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:47 am to dnm3305
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During malfunction drills, the shooter often engages the lever-style safety by accident
that would be a definite problem for special forces. Beretta needs to figure out a fix.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:51 am to Mung
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that would be a definite problem for special forces. Beretta needs to figure out a fix.
glock already figured it out for them
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:57 am to dnm3305
Soldiers will complain about anything, I've only been around them for about 17 years so far. I'll tell you based on all that experience in small arms training that the average soldier is barely functional with an M9, training is nowhere near where it should be. I've stopped more than a few officers on the range from taking a large piece of their thumb off with slide bite because they had no idea how to properly grip the gun. I'll also tell you that a large percentage of M9's are old and have little in the way of proper cleaning, lubrication, or proper care to check for worn parts. But I've never found one that was so bad that a little clp couldn't get running like a champ again. So the facts (not the opinion of soldiers that often don't know what they are talking about) have shown the M9 to be incredibly reliable when properly PMCS'd.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:58 am to cgrand
right, but Beretta USA manufactures its guns in the US, not Austria. Muhrica! 
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:00 am to Mung
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that would be a definite problem for special forces. Beretta needs to figure out a fix.
Given the vastly different training they get and the volume of it I'll tell you that isn't a definite problem. That and the fact SOF units can carry other pistols if they choose to anyway.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:01 am to Mung
My Glock was made in Smyrna, Georgia.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:04 am to Clames
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Soldiers will complain about anything
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a large percentage of M9's are old and have little in the way of proper cleaning, lubrication, or proper care to check for worn parts.
just ask any Marine armorer. M9's are all pieced together.
By 1986, when they switched to the M9, most of the 1911's were worn out and pieced together also.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:07 am to Clames
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Soldiers will complain about anything, I've only been around them for about 17 years so far. I'll tell you based on all that experience in small arms training that the average soldier is barely functional with an M9, training is nowhere near where it should be. I've stopped more than a few officers on the range from taking a large piece of their thumb off with slide bite because they had no idea how to properly grip the gun. I'll also tell you that a large percentage of M9's are old and have little in the way of proper cleaning, lubrication, or proper care to check for worn parts. But I've never found one that was so bad that a little clp couldn't get running like a champ again. So the facts (not the opinion of soldiers that often don't know what they are talking about) have shown the M9 to be incredibly reliable when properly PMCS'd.
It's sad that a member of our armed forces is incompetent with the very sidearm that could save his life, yet many of us on this forum can strip, clean, and competently fire nearly anything.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:13 am to dawg23
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Smyrna, Georgia is about as American (and redneck) as you can get.
The manufacturing plant is in Georgia but the company is Austrian is it not?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:14 am to dnm3305
And that's not bragging about this forum...
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:17 am to dnm3305
That's reality. Training dollars are tight and those that can best change things would rather waste soldiers time having them sit through endless EEO and SHARP briefs. Fact is that most soldiers only handle and practice with any assigned weapon during a few qualification events throughout the year.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:22 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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The manufacturing plant is in Georgia but the company is Austrian is it not?
Yes. The fine folks at Smyrna produced the biggest POS Glock ever, the Glock 42 in .380.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:24 am to Shexter
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Shexter
WOOSAHH
WOOSAHH
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:27 am to Ice Cream Sammich
The United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command was formed years after a got out of 1st Force Recon in 97 so i dont know much about it, but for us the M45 was the only choice, shite i fired alot of rounds with it during deployments and never let me down.
what helps is that each weapon is assigned to you
no one else can sign out your weapons so we did "modification" the way we wanted it.
i never shot the upgraded M45A1 but from buddies still in tell me its a solid weapon with alot of improvements
hell I'll take 7 45 rounds over Glock anytime
what helps is that each weapon is assigned to you
no one else can sign out your weapons so we did "modification" the way we wanted it.
i never shot the upgraded M45A1 but from buddies still in tell me its a solid weapon with alot of improvements
hell I'll take 7 45 rounds over Glock anytime
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:31 am to No8Easy2
I'd take 12 rds of .45 in a fullsize USP.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:48 am to Clames
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I'd take 12 rds of .45 in a fullsize USP.
Hopefully a variant w/o an external safety lever.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:54 am to dawg23
quote:redundant.
external safety lever.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:59 am to No8Easy2
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hell I'll take 7 45 rounds over Glock anytime
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Why not just take a compound bow?
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:05 am to dnm3305
quote:He doesn't use meth?
Why not just take a compound bow?
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