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Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:07 pm to No8Easy2
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not sure what you dont follow and why the hell would i want a compound bow?
You would take 7 rounds of .45ACP over 15 rounds of 9mm. Obviously a joke about the compound bow.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 1:12 pm to dnm3305
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You would take 7 rounds of .45ACP over 15 rounds of 9mm
its an overall personal assessment and I'm sure it would be subjective and vary from Marine to Marine
and one civilian to the next.
but i never had an option to fire a 9mm in combat
but did the .45 and while is far from a perfect handgun it never failed me, i think too much emphasis is placed on capacity but to each his own.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 1:29 pm to dnm3305
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You would take 7 rounds of .45ACP over 15 rounds of 9mm.
Civilians and police are allowed to use expanding bullets that increase the effectiveness of a 9mm. Can military guys use those expanding bullets or are they limited to ball ammo?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 1:31 pm to Coach in Waiting
They are limited to ball ammo
Posted on 2/24/15 at 1:36 pm to No8Easy2
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No8Easy2
first off, thank you for your service (you too Clames and all other vets on the OB)
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too much emphasis is placed on capacity but to each his own.
Not many people share your same perspective, so you've got me curious. in your experience, would you say that proficiency plays a large role in your thinking? it seems that with that few rounds, that making hits is crucial because of the lack of capacity.
also, how many spare mags would you carry?
just trying to pick someones brain who has more experience than most ever will.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 1:43 pm to No8Easy2
quote:If you fired the .45 in combat, it sounds like something (or someone) else failed you.
but i never had an option to fire a 9mm in combat
but did the .45 and while is far from a perfect handgun it never failed me,
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:35 pm to dawg23
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would you say that proficiency plays a large role in your thinking?
yea it does Marine rifle / pistol training is build around the ol' "1 shite 1 kill" and gets ingrained over the years i guess,
plus more ammo = more weight in the ruck
that's why alot of time on the range at 100, 250 and 500 yards (25 for pistols) was beat into our heads, conserve ammo
listen i'm not knocking the M9 I just really believe that the 45 was better for us in that environment, spray and pray runs dry no matter how many clips you carry
and yea dawg23 the damn M4 shite the bed, but then again it had sand from flash to bolt!
Posted on 2/24/15 at 2:58 pm to No8Easy2
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spray and pray runs dry no matter how many clips you carry
uh oh.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:07 pm to dnm3305
Team clip for life.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:15 pm to No8Easy2
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plus more ammo = more weight in the ruck
I know Im being a pain in the arse and poking holes now, but a Glock 19 unloaded weighs 23.65oz. A Colt CQBP .45 1911 unloaded weighs 40oz. An empty standard 15rd Glock 19 mag weighs 2.46oz and loaded is 9oz. A standard 1911 mag loaded with 7 rds of 230 grain bullets is 7.88oz.
A fully loaded Glock 19 with 15rds is 32.65oz. A fully loaded Colt 1911 is 47.88oz. Basically a 1 lb difference in just the firearm. The mags have approx 1oz difference so you can carry 75 rds of 9mm for a total weight of 45 oz (5 total mags). Or you can carry 35 rds of .45 ACP at approx same weight.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:42 pm to dnm3305
Basically echoes the conclusion the Army came to when adopting the M16. Smaller bullets but more of them per pound gives an individual rifleman more firepower per pound. Squads of M16 with full combat load vs squads of M14's with same combat load always came out in favor of the M16's. This even goes back to the M1 Garand when the Army was testing and developing it (among other entrants) against the Springfield 1903. Well, they actually chose the more powerful .30 M1 over the .276 Pedersen version but there's more to that history than simply the power difference. Jarheads did not want to let go of their 1903's, and they had some good reasons, for the semi-automatic M1 but when it came to fighting and found out that the 1903's were no less failure prone than the M1's they quickly started asking for them. Apparently volume of fire vs absolute accuracy of aimed shots crosses an optimization point and the M1 provided that point.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 3:46 pm
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