re: Let's Do A Little Comparing Of Basketball Teams

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I think after 2 recruiting classes it's a little early to call the guy a complete bust

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Did I call him a bust? I said he's not near the level of his mentor, and doesn't show the promise to be. When you can clearly see that Dale Brown was a better X's and O's guy than Jones that should scare the crap out of people.

Again, people aren't expecting a top 10 team, but this team hasn't improved much if any from the beginning of the year. They are still making the same mistakes, and while they clearly prove they have the talent in some games, it's clear the coaching just isn't there, and it's not something new that this season is showing with Jones.

He's overrated by some of you and while I hope he turns this program into a perennial top 25 team in the coming years, he's not an elite recruiter and is a bad X's and O's coach. Elite recruiters can get past the lack of X's and O's, but he simply isn't that.

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He's a pretty elite recruiter. He had a top 10 class his 1st recruiting class, and this upcoming class will be around 6 or 7 most likely. 2 top 10 recruiting classes in 3 years is pretty elite

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And in that time has 1 post-season game in an NIT that they got blasted.

In one post you are bashing the talent, and in another saying he's an elite recruiter. Which is it buddy?

Jones is a good recruiter. Elite is consistently top 3-5 talent every year, not top 10 twice in 3 years.

Again, I think the guy can win, but clearly he hasn't improved as a coach from his time at UNT where his more talented teams continually choked.

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Jones is a good recruiter. Elite is consistently top 3-5 talent every year, not top 10 twice in 3 years.

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Ok, you clearly know very little about basketball. There are 351 teams in college basketball, if 2 top 10 recruiting classes when you're LSU isn't elite I don't know what is.

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In one post you are bashing the talent, and in another saying he's an elite recruiter. Which is it buddy?

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You just do not get it. 1) Martin and Mickey aren't NBA ready, and are only Sophomores. A coach shouldn't be defined after his players' FR and SO campaigns. 2) His next recruiting class isn't even in college yet . He's got the #1 overall player in the country and the #2 shooting guard. That's great talent...but it's not here yet.

In summary, if Mickey and Martin stay next year, we will have a top 10 basketball team because of the talent coming in complementing what we already have. If Mickey and Martin leave, we will be a tourney team, but around a 6-8 seed, imo.

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The morons on this board have no idea what it takes to build a program.

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LSU is not that talented. Most people know Martin was a HS all american and have determined we should be in the final 4 because of it.

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yet Ben Simmons is going to be our savior? lol

I like the Utah comparison. We may simply be expecting too much out of this group this particular year. If we can get Martin to stay another year with Simmons and Blakeney, and maybe another good recruit, the sky's the limit the next couple years.

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LSU is not UK, not Arizona, not Duke.

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Are you sure? Maybe you should add them to your comparison just to be on the safe side. I heard Duke uses an underclassman or two.

Why do people think basketball players don't need time to acclimate or adjust their bodies? Duke and UK get 4 top 20 recruits a year, we aren't exactly working with the same talent. So when you don't have that talent, you need experience.

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Everyone said that about Johnny O'Bryant, but we managed to keep him on campus for three seasons. I think we all may be surprised.

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I hope so.

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Why do people think basketball players don't need time to acclimate or adjust their bodies? Duke and UK get 4 top 20 recruits a year, we aren't exactly working with the same talent. So when you don't have that talent, you need experience.

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To make it to the top 5 of a mediocre SEC and just get in the top 60 or 70 teams in the NCAA? Just to sniff the tourney. That's all people are expecting. You act like people are banging on JJ for not producing a final 4 team. You're making a defense for arguments people aren't making. This team should make the tourney. A stinking 11 seed- 12 seed- anything. It's not gonna happen. Not because we didn't beat Kentucky/ but because we didn't beat Missouri, Auburn, Miss St and teams like this. They are horribly inconsistent and haven't improved at all as the season has progressed. There is a definite coaching problem. Some say it's the players fault. They don't listen. They're not coachable. In the end, it falls on the coach who recruited and developed them. I'll say this-If we don't make the tourney next season (can't even believe I'm saying the same thing so many others say- year after year- "next season") then we likely never will. You can keep him around 5, 6,7 years- but it'll likely not get any better. It's not about "time" it's about "talent" and JJ is getting talent. What's he doing with it?