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re: Everyone- Stop being so critical of Coach Jones

Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18139 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:51 pm to
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Point being that you can get run out of college basketball if you're not doing your job. Like him or not, Coach Jones IS doing his job.


Being a college basketball head coach has many facets, but the three most important are recruiting, player development and motivation, and in-game strategy/tactics.

JJ is doing very well with recruiting. But he's failing with the others two facets (although Quarterman has improved his offensive game dramatically from last year, so I give JJ and his staff credit there).

But our guys seem to play with little passion, and I'm afraid a lot of that comes from JJ himself. He looks dead on the sidelines. Players feed off of their coach. Just recall the emotion that Dale Brown got out of his players every night.

And JJ's in-game strategy & tactics are just not good, which is clearly evident to all honest fans who are watching with eyes wide open. Terrible half-court offensive sets, little movement, sloppy movement of the ball, etc.
Posted by CrippleCreek
Member since Apr 2012
2345 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:52 pm to
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But no coach is winning without players


Recruiting is supposed to be JJ's calling card and in year 3 he only has 6 players that he's actually comfortable playing. That is BAD.

He's gotten some really high level players, but the fact that he's only got 1 guy who can get on the floor out of the freshman class is killing him and the team right now.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
21848 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:52 pm to
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I miss John Brady


+1. I like JJ, but Brady was a boss.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18139 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:55 pm to
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Calling timeouts during a run is not going to necessarily benefit us unless we're tired.


Wow, this shows a complete lack of understanding of the game.

Timeouts are used during runs primarily to break the momentum of the other team, literally by stopping play for a couple minutes. Just stop the bleeding for a little while and let the hyped-up emotion of the opponent (and the crowd) dissipate.

During the TO, a coach can substitute or revise strategy, but the primary reason for the TO is simply to stop play for a little while and reset.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34110 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:55 pm to
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We're not a good half court team right now and that's due to personnel.


bullshite.

I've seen Biddy Ball teams run a half court better than LSU.

We have 5 legitimate D1 players, and the jury is still out on Gray. The rest are deadwood.

Who's responsible for the deadwood?


Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155677 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:56 pm to
Most if not all the criticism is warranted.

Tell me this squad isnt capable of being better than they are
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16454 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:58 pm to
His greatest feat to date. Hiring David Patrick. In between he has sucked....
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 1:59 pm
Posted by MottLaneKid
Gonzales
Member since Apr 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:58 pm to
You cannot be serious. Jones fricks up next year and there will not be a 2016-2017 season. My God, is it that difficult to find an intelligent basketball coach for the college level ?
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2012
9352 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 2:00 pm to
I thought Brady was terrible. That final four run was all talent IMO.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34110 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 2:05 pm to
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You cannot be serious. Jones fricks up next year and there will not be a 2016-2017 season. My God, is it that difficult to find an intelligent basketball coach for the college level ?



Do You honestly believe that? With Alleva's track record and Dale Brown having clout with the TAF, Jones isn't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8534 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 2:12 pm to
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Florida is more talented than we are. Arkansas is more talented. A&M is more talented, imo. Georgia is about even. Look at the rosters. And if you're gonna use defensive rebounding as a measuring stick then Frank Martin is the best coach in the league. How's his team doing?


Do Florida, A&M and UGA have two potential first round draft picks on the floor? This team has Top 25 talent.

Also, I mentioned OFFENSIVE rebounds given up (i.e. not being disciplined enough to block out on EVERY shot) as the measuring stick for effort. With the players we have, there is no excuse for giving up 17 offensive rebounds, its simply not putting out the effort to box out on every shot. Unlike Jones, Martin has actually taken a team deep in the NCAA Tournament and won a major conference. Yeah I think Frank is great coach and will ultimately be successful at USC.
Posted by ezrulz
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2011
1332 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:30 pm to
People need to just be patient and wait until next season when we are better than most teams. Some coaches are great when there is very little talent but average when they have a good team due to their coaching philosophy. Other coaches often succeed when they have the horses and are willing to turn them loose. We need to give Coach Jones a break and try to enjoy the season cause these kids are really fun to watch.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 6:36 pm
Posted by budlight34
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
1149 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:00 pm to
Hey ezrules. The next time you want to start a thread, stop for second, step away from the computer, then don't!! This is about the dumbest thing anyone has ever said on here!! And that's saying something!
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:12 pm to
You do realize this is a sports message board, right?
Poster come here to discuss LSU sports.
This team is regressing. Ive never seen a p5 basketball team that cant inbound the ball on a regular basis. Our offense is damn near painful to watch. Its as if they are 5 random guys at a rec center that have never played together. He makes some of the weirdest timeout/no time calls ive ever seen. At the end of the Kentucky game we had the ball and couldn't get a good look.Coach JJones calls TO with 5 seconds left on the shot clock knowing full well we have trouble in bounding the ball. When we have a decent lead,our opponents start to make a run and instead of calling TO to try and slow momentum, he lets the team back into the game. In 3 of our lossesn we had double digit leads in the 2nd half and let the team come back.
No one is questioning Coach JJones can recruit but it is becoming clear that he has trouble with certain areas of coaching.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8534 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:19 pm to
You enjoy watching kids with lots of talent underachieve? It drives me crazy. I would rather watch a less talented team work their arse off and overachieve.
Posted by Slapouttiger
alabama
Member since Jun 2011
3087 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 9:31 pm to
This team 2 big stars don't play with heart or passion. Hornsby and Quarterman or the only ones that do. I hope that the 2 supposedly stars on this team do leave because it's obious that they can't wait to leave
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 10:42 pm to
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No one is questioning Coach JJones can recruit but it is becoming clear that he has trouble with certain areas of coaching.
OK,I am over my meltdown a bit. However I think that cJJ just doesn't put in the work he needs to. He doesn't make any moves during games because he doesn't have any.

Anyway, I am guessing that they can squeeze into the tournament on talent alone. Hopefully win a round or two. Would be fun. If M&M leave afterwards, I can see us squeezing in for another year or so... maybe.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2003
5365 posts
Posted on 2/18/15 at 11:55 pm to
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We're not a good half court team right now and that's due to personnel.


Here's where I was just like, who thinks this stupid shite?

And then I realized. People who don't know a damn fricking thing about coaching a basketball team.

Half court offense is 100 percent discipline and focus. Either you have installed that into your team and they do what you say or you don't. That's all coaching. You can run a decent half court offense with 2 Jack Warners a Brandon Landry and 2 Tubas. Harvard does it every fricking year.

It's kind of the WHOLE frickING PURPOSE of having the coach on the bench during the game.

Essentially JJ has taken off whole stretches of games and just been like, frick, hey Muss, just roll out a ball and let em go at. Thats been the level of his input.

ez, friend. you need to just stfu cuz you are just making it worse. shite then you go and say, well yeah, but if it's still an issue next year, then maybe it's a problem.

Dude, if it's a problem and a gaping hole in his coaching style, then it's a problem and a gaping hole in his coaching style. Timing is irrelevant. It shouldn't take you four years to realize it.

Hell we've all known it, but we have excused it because he recruits like Dale. We just hoped maybe he was better than we thought.

Well now we know for sure. He's not.
But we will have good players during our runs to the NIT.

This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 11:58 pm
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
23484 posts
Posted on 2/19/15 at 7:17 am to
UNC had two blown inbounds late in its loss to Duke. Williams did not use a time out (w/3 left) with 20+secs left in OT. Duke also failed to inbound as well. It happens elsewhere, just sayin. Both great coaches, but when closely matched teams compete, sometimes they make the coach look bad with fundamentals.
This post was edited on 2/19/15 at 7:29 am
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8534 posts
Posted on 2/19/15 at 8:05 am to
There is a difference between sometimes and ALL THE TIME. Look, we hired a coach that was .500 in the Southland Conference over 11 years, nobody else was exactly knocking down his door. Why are we surprised, we got what we bargained for.
This post was edited on 2/19/15 at 8:06 am
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