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re: Reasons for Optimism in 2015 (Not for the Faint of Heart)
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:24 am to chilge1
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:24 am to chilge1
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quote: this team has the playmakers that can step forward and lead this team into battle with a mentality to crush the opponent's will. I especially like Jamal Adams in this regard.
You can get carried away with this line of thinking. Jamal Adams had this year's Bama game in the palm of his hand, and he did not crush their will. If he maintains sideline discipline, and tackles that Bama receiver the way he was coached to, we win that game.
The point is, there will be no savior. This will be accomplished with experienced talent across the board.
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:27 am to chilge1
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improvement from the position is all but guaranteed under the tutelage of Cam Cameron, whose influenced helped shape the careers of Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco
The difference between those 3 and Jennings is that they certainly had greater athletic skill at the QB position than Jennings has--in other words, their ceilings were much higher than the one for Jennings. So, the kind of improvement you apparently see for Jennings is HARDLY GUARANTEED--in fact, it's far more likely that Jennings will NOT IMPROVE to the level of a Brees or Flacco.
Naturally I'm cheering for Jennings. I'd like for him to succeed beyond anything I could imagine. He's a good young dude, plus he's ours. It's just very hard for me to believe he's going to develop into one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in our conference. Very, very difficult to see this.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:55 am to Penrod
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You can get carried away with this line of thinking. Jamal Adams had this year's Bama game in the palm of his hand, and he did not crush their will. If he maintains sideline discipline, and tackles that Bama receiver the way he was coached to, we win that game.
He was a true freshman. Even the greatest players don't make every play, just like the best teams don't always win the game.
The point was that Adams displayed aggressiveness and instincts that are rare in such young players. Mathieu showed similar flashes as a freshman in 2010 before his legendary season in 2011.
But even in 2011, Mathieu didn't make every play. As great as his higlight reel is, it's the GOAT, there are several plays every game that he could have made as well, but didn't.
But his intensity and passion drove every player around him to be better, not just on Saturdays, but throughout the offseason and during game weeks.
Mathieu said himself it was the month leading up to the Rematch where he was unable to focus and deal with the pressure and hype that led to his and the team's downfall that night.
Adams can be that fire the team needs long before they ever take the field.
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The point is, there will be no savior. This will be accomplished with experienced talent across the board.
Even if there was going to be a "savior", it would likely be Valentine, as the play of the DL is the most in need of an infusion of talent and attitude.
Of course there has to be talent everywhere, but one player can certainly lead the way in establishing an identity that the others players feed and thrive on.
Adams, Beckwith, Godchaux, Teahuma, even Tolliver all have the potential to be that type of leader that Dorsey was in 07, Mathieu in 2011, even Lavalais back in 03.
The greatest units, while certainly loaded across the board, usually have a player that personifies what they are about in a way that you can see.
We haven't had that since 2011 imo, and the temperment of our DC only exacerbated that deficiency imo.
The players we have stepping into leadership roles, and the coaches that are fired up to now be in the purple and gold, make this a powder keg that appears to be resting dangerously close to a flame....
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:59 am to chilge1
Have an upvote sir - great read 
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:07 am to chilge1
cautious optimism.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:14 am to chilge1
I gave you an up vote mostly due to the hard work you put into this thread, and for some optimism.
However, the number one reason for optimism is the return of the O linemen in combination with Fournette. LF finally showed the flashes of his potential in the last two games proving he could be a J Hill dominating style rb for us.
I did enjoy seeing how much better our talent grades out to the talent Clemson had, but we also play more teams with higher overall talent than Clemson did. The Jury is definitely still out on Steele.
We hope to be improved on D line, but we haven't had a dominant D line in a few years. O should help, but perhaps the talent we have was over valued during recruiting by the prior coaches. I remain cautiously optimistic there.
To make a run we need to not only have QB improvement, but dramatic QB improvement. We are a long way from being an undefeated or one loss team-which is what it takes to win the west.
We better hope that Miles and company come out of the gate with the right players playing the right scheme. Too many times I've watched him wait until we lose games, or even worse until the season is over to make wholesale adjustments.
Although we have great talent on the roster, recent trends have shown the program going down rather than maintaining or going up. I am hopeful that we can have a great few years, but I am no longer buying into the hope until I see it on the field.
I am placing my faith in Cam and Harris. I think they can do it. If they can then everything else will fall into place.
However, the number one reason for optimism is the return of the O linemen in combination with Fournette. LF finally showed the flashes of his potential in the last two games proving he could be a J Hill dominating style rb for us.
I did enjoy seeing how much better our talent grades out to the talent Clemson had, but we also play more teams with higher overall talent than Clemson did. The Jury is definitely still out on Steele.
We hope to be improved on D line, but we haven't had a dominant D line in a few years. O should help, but perhaps the talent we have was over valued during recruiting by the prior coaches. I remain cautiously optimistic there.
To make a run we need to not only have QB improvement, but dramatic QB improvement. We are a long way from being an undefeated or one loss team-which is what it takes to win the west.
We better hope that Miles and company come out of the gate with the right players playing the right scheme. Too many times I've watched him wait until we lose games, or even worse until the season is over to make wholesale adjustments.
Although we have great talent on the roster, recent trends have shown the program going down rather than maintaining or going up. I am hopeful that we can have a great few years, but I am no longer buying into the hope until I see it on the field.
I am placing my faith in Cam and Harris. I think they can do it. If they can then everything else will fall into place.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:22 am to chilge1
Jesus Christ. How long have you been unemployed?
No one with a job has time to make a post like that.
Anway, our QB play was so bad last year, anything short of the single greatest offseason improvement in history, we can still expect at least 2 losses solely due to qb play.
Oh and as someone said, Les is still the coach.
No one with a job has time to make a post like that.
Anway, our QB play was so bad last year, anything short of the single greatest offseason improvement in history, we can still expect at least 2 losses solely due to qb play.
Oh and as someone said, Les is still the coach.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:34 am to LSUballs
All of that will be negated by the following:
1) Les Miles
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...jeez , buddy , one-track-mind tunnel vision over-the-top much ?
1) Les Miles
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...jeez , buddy , one-track-mind tunnel vision over-the-top much ?
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:39 am to chilge1
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Mississippi State's Dak Prescott, will contend with replacing 7 starters on each side of the ball. In reflection of the 2014 meeting, it will now be LSU who travels to StarkVegas with a team of seasoned players facing a young team very early in the season.
Won't miss Chief's "ghost linebacker" scheme which gave Prescott 20 yards of open field if he got past the line.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:51 am to 0jersey
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We better hope that Miles and company come out of the gate with the right players playing the right scheme. Too many times I've watched him wait until we lose games, or even worse until the season is over to make wholesale adjustments.
You are right in a sense, but I find changing your starting qb in the 2nd sec game an early change. Then reverting to what y'all would call 1950s style ball that won us 3 games and almost a 4th when a lot of people questioned if we would even win an sec game. Then again made changes after the Arkansas debacle.
We saw changes on both sides of the ball after auburn crushed us. I don't really see how you can know how good the young guys are before that, especially when you are destroying the likes of Sam Houston.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:54 am to LACountyTiger
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Les is still the coach.
He was the coach when we won the sec twice, playing the two hardest schedules in the history of the program. So yeah, the best coach in LSU history is still our coach.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:11 am to chilge1
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LSU should head into November off its bye week with an 8-0 record before playing @Bama, v.Arky, @Miss, and v.aTm.
Saying they SHOULD be 8-0 s a bit of a stretch. It is college football where you can lose to any team, so 7-1 or 6-2 might be more realistic. Could they? Absolutely. I'm just saying it's not a guarantee.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:19 am to chilge1
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Whether you stand with the majority who want Harris, the ultra-talented sophomore whose drawback includes having played organized football for only 3 years, or with the minority who want Jennings, the physically limited film junkie who exclusively corners the market with game experience, improvement from the position is all but guaranteed under the tutelage of Cam Cameron, whose influenced helped shape the careers of Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, as well as countless others through his mentorship of one George Whitfield Jr.
Chris Warner, is that you? You sound like a member of the rainbows and unicorns brigade with that kind of lingo.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:47 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Same song different year.
How about a thread to start listing out the excuses for next year?
-AJ and Harris are only Soph
-We lost Chief
-Steele needs more than 1 yr to implement his system
-We rely on the run game too much
-No one really thought 15-16 would be the yr, but 16-17 will be.
How about a thread to start listing out the excuses for next year?
-AJ and Harris are only Soph
-We lost Chief
-Steele needs more than 1 yr to implement his system
-We rely on the run game too much
-No one really thought 15-16 would be the yr, but 16-17 will be.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:50 pm to LACountyTiger
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Anway, our QB play was so bad last year, anything short of the single greatest offseason improvement in history, we can still expect at least 2 losses solely due to qb play.
I provided Mettenberger's 2012 and 2013 stat lines for you. Use them.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:53 pm to TigerPanzer
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So, the kind of improvement you apparently see for Jennings is HARDLY GUARANTEED--in fact, it's far more likely that Jennings will NOT IMPROVE to the level of a Brees or Flacco.
I see improvement for the position, not necessarily any individual. We also don't need to have an NFL caliber player there, either.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:29 pm to chilge1
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From 2010-12, LSU compiled a 34-6 regular season record, one conference title, and zero national titles. Over that same span, Alabama has compiled a 35-5 regular season record, one conference title, and two national titles.
This just plain hurts and is a big part of the dissention in the fanbase (that and what has transpired in 2013-2014).
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:49 pm to dgnx6
I get what you are saying, it's not like Miles doesn't make changes, but as you see from your own response to my post both of the adjustments you mentioned were after losses.
I do think last year was a bit of an aberration given the youth we had, but the trend in Miles tenure is to be a bit late on the adjustments within the course of a season. The staff is decent at adjusting at halftime. I'd say he is strong at game planning overall.
I kind of think this applies to his seasons as well. He tends to make an assessment on his teams strengths and believes his teams talent can overcome the teams weaknesses if they can execute. Then within the season it takes him longer to realize that perhaps the weaknesses were worse than expected or the strengths not as strong. By then it is a little late.
I do think last year was a bit of an aberration given the youth we had, but the trend in Miles tenure is to be a bit late on the adjustments within the course of a season. The staff is decent at adjusting at halftime. I'd say he is strong at game planning overall.
I kind of think this applies to his seasons as well. He tends to make an assessment on his teams strengths and believes his teams talent can overcome the teams weaknesses if they can execute. Then within the season it takes him longer to realize that perhaps the weaknesses were worse than expected or the strengths not as strong. By then it is a little late.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:35 pm to chilge1
Facts backed up by stats and not water cooler gossip.........
The Rant is gonna kill you hahahahahahahaha.
Great post BTW
The Rant is gonna kill you hahahahahahahaha.
Great post BTW
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:36 pm to chilge1
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We also don't need to have an NFL caliber player there, either.
Well, you cited those 3 guys as examples of college QB's that Cameron coached up during their college careers. My point is that, strictly as college QB's, these guys had more ability than Jennings; hence their ceilings were higher.
Sounds as though you're anticipating that Harris will be coached up to the level we need by the first game on next season. I hope you're right, but until we see great improvement on the field, I see the Tigers having essentially the same problems at QB that we had last season.
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