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re: Reasons for Optimism in 2015 (Not for the Faint of Heart)
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:51 pm to TigerPanzer
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:51 pm to TigerPanzer
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Well, you cited those 3 guys as examples of college QB's that Cameron coached up during their college careers. My point is that, strictly as college QB's, these guys had more ability than Jennings; hence their ceilings were higher.
He's also comparing how Cameron "coached up" basically three first round picks (Brees was #32 in 2001 draft) into great QBs.
I really really wish people would stop using Cameron's development of NFL QBs into anything about his ability to develop a high school or college QB. Hell, he gets way too much credit for Mett's development given he got him as a 5th year senior.
There is a huge difference in coaching a very young and developing QB than a polished QB coming out of college to the pros.
That said, everyone trying to claim talent was Steele's lone issue in 2011 at Clemson are going to be in for a big shock. The guy has literally struggled at every stop where he's had more responsibility than being a head recruiter or positional coach. That's his history. The guy is a great recruiter and LBer coach, but has proven little as a DC that is positive or promising.
Despite all that, I am cautiously optimistic that next year will be an improved year for this team.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 4:53 pm
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:52 pm to TigerPanzer
He didn't coach ANY of those QBs in college, as his career has largely been confined to the NFL.
At the college level, he developed Antwaan Randle El and Zach Mettenberger.
At the college level, he developed Antwaan Randle El and Zach Mettenberger.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:53 pm to chilge1
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Zach Mettenberger.
He coached him 1 year. According to you that means Crowton developed Flynn and not the 4 previous years under Fisher.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:13 pm to Geauxgurt
Mett had the single greatest improvement between seasons that I've ever witnessed.
Would he have made significant improvement from another year in the system with Landry and OBJ? Certainly. Would his passing efficiency and yards per attempt have been among the elite in CFB? Certainly not.
Would he have made significant improvement from another year in the system with Landry and OBJ? Certainly. Would his passing efficiency and yards per attempt have been among the elite in CFB? Certainly not.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:28 pm to chilge1
Need a QB to be more than average, although our guys have played well below average. To win the SEC, need a QB who can actually win games at the end if necessary. Our guys are the opposite- the albatross that weighs the team down. Until we change this, we won't compete for championships, plain and simple
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:32 pm to chilge1
Have an upvote. Great work. We usually see eye to eye on this board.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:34 pm to countryboy2
can coach cam cameron coach college
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:36 pm to Geauxgurt
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Hell, he gets way too much credit for Mett's development given he got him as a 5th year senior.
I guess you missed Metts 2012 season of 12 tds 7 ints.
Jennings past season was 11 tds-7 ints and qb rating all of 10 points lower than Mett's 2012 qb rating.
Do some stat looking before you spew ignorance all over your posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:39 pm to chilge1
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rouse
Underrated king cakes, imo...
Just busting your balls. Great write up. Thank you.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 6:01 pm to boxcar willie
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can coach cam cameron coach college
Obviously he is capable based in the results from his Michigan days. But he also hasn't done it for a long time.
How long it takes to make the transition back to the college game is certainly something to keep an eye on.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:22 pm to crookedicat
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No one really thought 15-16 would be the yr, but 16-17 will be.
This whole next year bullshite is just that, bullshite. If you thought we were winning in 2013 or 2014, you were living in delusion. 2012 we could have, but by the uf game we were down 22 scholarship players. So yes, there was an excuse that year. Just unlucky with injuries.
Now I did say 15 and 16 could be our years. And with not losing every decent Jr to the draft, I like our chances.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:24 pm to countryboy2
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Until we change this, we won't compete for championships, plain and simple
Heard this before. Yet we trotted out Lee and JJ and competed and won a championship.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:59 pm to dgnx6
Wrong way of thinking, DGNX. And the same type of thinking by Miles perhaps that has us out of contention. Made miles truly believe that his QB didn't have to produce, and I think it was the main reason we gotthe shite stopped out of us in the NC. The defense in 2011 was incredible. And you cannot forget the turnover creating machine and special teams star that was TM. I'm not at all defending Chavis, but when your offense never puts teams away when it has the opportunity it creates more chances that a team can beat you on the last drive
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:05 pm to countryboy2
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Miles perhaps that has us out of contention
Eliminated in February. That's gotta be a first.
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Made miles truly believe that his QB didn't have to produce
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"I think our football team requires excellence at the quarterback spot,” LSU head coachLes Miles told LSUSports.net’s Emily Dixon after the loss. "I think we were 7-for-14 passing. That’s 50-percent. That’s not good enough. “
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"It’s a guy who we will expect to throw the football for 250 (yards) and be able to be 20-for-31 and be a very capable and very competent passer.”
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:11 pm to chilge1
Not at all a Miles basher. But he isn't doing his fricking job if he can't recruit or develop a QB that can do this....year after year.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:19 pm to countryboy2
We had some shitty luck with some guys that should have contributed at the position.
Perrilloux's departure hastened the development of Lee and Jefferson, Zach Lee's $5 million MLB contract did the same for Mett, and Gunner Kiel flipping did the same thing for Jennings.
Literally half of the year QBs that have demonstrated effectively that they can play the position never contributed for us.
Either way, to act as though he devalues the position us absurd.
Perrilloux's departure hastened the development of Lee and Jefferson, Zach Lee's $5 million MLB contract did the same for Mett, and Gunner Kiel flipping did the same thing for Jennings.
Literally half of the year QBs that have demonstrated effectively that they can play the position never contributed for us.
Either way, to act as though he devalues the position us absurd.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:47 pm to chilge1
Perrilloux should have not flipped on NSD. He should have followed Vince Young at Texas. But after wasting away on the bench for 3 yrs he gave Miles the SECCG and his trip to his only NC.
Miles and Cameron definitely had the highest run pass ratio in the nation and the run was only half as effective as last year at scoring.
Miles said he wanted an offense that did not turn the ball over and screw things up for the defense. When asked after MSST why he ran against a team with a known vulnerability to the pass he said "look for more balls in the air" followed immediately by "We will line up up receivers Malachi Dupre and Travin Dural on one side of the field to attract four defensive backs and then “we will crush you” running the football".
Miles and Cameron definitely had the highest run pass ratio in the nation and the run was only half as effective as last year at scoring.
Miles said he wanted an offense that did not turn the ball over and screw things up for the defense. When asked after MSST why he ran against a team with a known vulnerability to the pass he said "look for more balls in the air" followed immediately by "We will line up up receivers Malachi Dupre and Travin Dural on one side of the field to attract four defensive backs and then “we will crush you” running the football".
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:49 pm to chilge1
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#3 Improved QB Play
This. If it's Jennings job then it's time for him to show that he has matured into the position.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:56 pm to chilge1
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Anway, our QB play was so bad last year, anything short of the single greatest offseason improvement in history, we can still expect at least 2 losses solely due to qb play.
I provided Mettenberger's 2012 and 2013 stat lines for you. Use them.
sure will be a shame IF jennings has the most unprecedented career year to year improvement for a QB ever to be negated by the regression of the defense, as what happened with mett as well.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:13 pm to harry coleman beast
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Its baseball season
It's always football season bitch.
And it ain't baseball season till basketball season is over
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