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NOLA real estate
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:44 am
Currently looking at homes in New Orleans with my wife, mostly lakeview. Have had a few offers come close to being accepted, but nothing actually purchased yet.
I know no one can predict these kinds of things, but what is the boards opinion of buying in New Orleans right now, particularly lakeview? Do you guys think this a bubble and will eventually come back down to earth, or do y'all think buying now in a good area is a sound buy that will at minimum hold it's value? I've heard both that the market will adjust shortly and come back down, and also that it will continue to go up once new hospital system is completed. I know no one knows for sure. I'm terrified to buy high and have the market come crashing down.
I know no one can predict these kinds of things, but what is the boards opinion of buying in New Orleans right now, particularly lakeview? Do you guys think this a bubble and will eventually come back down to earth, or do y'all think buying now in a good area is a sound buy that will at minimum hold it's value? I've heard both that the market will adjust shortly and come back down, and also that it will continue to go up once new hospital system is completed. I know no one knows for sure. I'm terrified to buy high and have the market come crashing down.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:14 am to Saint5446
I've given up trying to predict the tops of real estate bubbles. I don't think there is any justification for the prices in Lakeview now... and they keep going up.
Paying $200/sq ft for a house that sits on a street that is collapsing and requires a tank to drive down it? Until the city fixes the streets, I'll pass.
That having been said, while I don't know how much prices will go up, prices generally only go down if there is some sort of cataclysmic event - another hurricane, big economic tanking, etc.
I do think for the market to keep going up, you will need to have people who want to come into the neighborhood, combined with people who are selling out. A lot of people think the two new hospitals are going to attract all sorts of out of town medical professionals to move into the city (read: Mid-City prices right now) but I don't know if I buy into that theory. VA docs aren't super wealthy, and the docs that will work at the new UMC are pretty much the same docs who are already working at the interim hospital, plus a few new ones they might recruit. IT's going to be a teaching hospital, but it's not like it will be a major research hospital on par with Johns Hopkins or anything.
Paying $200/sq ft for a house that sits on a street that is collapsing and requires a tank to drive down it? Until the city fixes the streets, I'll pass.
That having been said, while I don't know how much prices will go up, prices generally only go down if there is some sort of cataclysmic event - another hurricane, big economic tanking, etc.
I do think for the market to keep going up, you will need to have people who want to come into the neighborhood, combined with people who are selling out. A lot of people think the two new hospitals are going to attract all sorts of out of town medical professionals to move into the city (read: Mid-City prices right now) but I don't know if I buy into that theory. VA docs aren't super wealthy, and the docs that will work at the new UMC are pretty much the same docs who are already working at the interim hospital, plus a few new ones they might recruit. IT's going to be a teaching hospital, but it's not like it will be a major research hospital on par with Johns Hopkins or anything.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:28 am to LSUFanHouston
LV prices will stay high as long as people who were in the wealthy parts of Metairie and Kenner and St. Tammany want to move into the city. This along with some Uptown people wanting their kids to be able to ride bikes at night will continue to support these insane prices. Essentially, besides uptown and Lake Vista (and some parts of Old Metairie), Lakeview is the most desired neighborhood in all of the GNO. The key is going to be developers buying and tearing down the old/small duplexes around fleur de lis and the # streets that absentee landlords are tempted to use as low income housing. I think there is enough demand for the area to drive those to be bought by developers who will tear them down and build spec homes over the long haul. The parts of lakeview between West End and Marconi are about all rebuilt and full. Developers are already building around Fleur De Lis. I think Lakeview is about as safe a bet as you can make. Uptown prices are even worse and it is alot harder to find a large swath of incomes to support million dollar homes compared to $400-600k homes like we have in lakeview.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:38 am to LSUFanHouston
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t. A lot of people think the two new hospitals are going to attract all sorts of out of town medical professionals to move into the city (read: Mid-City prices right now) but I don't know if I buy into that theory.
In Mid_city's case, and really the whole area around the hospital, there isn't a need for high income professionals in order to raise property values. A large influx of middle income wage earners is an upgrade to most residents in that area. I don't think anyone is expecting plastic surgeons and cardiologists to move into mid city and treme, but those $200,000-$300,000 duplexes will be tempting for middle income nurses and such, hence the increase in property values in that area.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:45 am to Crbello4Hiceman
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The key is going to be developers buying and tearing down the old/small duplexes around fleur de lis and the # streets that absentee landlords are tempted to use as low income housing. I think there is enough demand for the area to drive those to be bought by developers who will tear them down and build spec homes over the long haul.
I'm interested to see this as well. Can the parts between the 17th street and West End be made to look as nice and wealthy as the parts between West End and the park? I would think if there is enough buyer interest, they can be... even if a lot of it is tear downs as opposed to just renovations.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:47 am to rintintin
I look at those Laeview prices and shake my head. I live 18 miles from Lakeview...paid less per square ft for true custom than those folks are paying for flooded renos. And my street is paved, no crime, and the public schools are good. The prices are nuts over there.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:49 am to hungryone
Good for you, but you still live 18 miles away.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:54 am to notiger1997
Great responses. A lot of you seem to share my thoughts on it. If anything I'm not looking for a huge appreciation, but if I'm paying 350k for a home I would like to at least be confident it will maintain its value.
I guess a follow-up question is if it is worth buying a new one for a little bit higher? I've been seeing some real nice new constructions in some of the numbered streets, mostly on blocks that are split half and half between new beautiful constructions and some homes that look like tear downs/duplexes.
I guess a follow-up question is if it is worth buying a new one for a little bit higher? I've been seeing some real nice new constructions in some of the numbered streets, mostly on blocks that are split half and half between new beautiful constructions and some homes that look like tear downs/duplexes.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:01 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:Please see #3 on this list: "America’s Most-Searched ZIP Codes of 2014" (Realtor.com)
I don't think there is any justification for the prices in Lakeview now... and they keep going up.
This small community, known as Lakeview, sits on the shores of Lake Pontchartrain and is home to young families looking for a suburban lifestyle within 10 minutes of downtown restaurants.
“It’s a destination for young professionals with a good job who can afford a house north of $400,000,” said Carl Calamia, real estate agent with Keller Williams in Metairie.
In New Orleans, the average sale price for a house is in the $200,000 range, Calamia added. In the Lakeview area, it’s $366,320, according to realtor.com® local information. New construction homes in this enclave can cost as much as $800,000 and for New Orleans, “that’s high,” Calamia said.
What’s striking about Lakeview is that it is one of the areas hard hit by Hurricane Katrina. Now, years after rebuilding, its value is not lost on the local economy.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:13 am to Saint5446
Lakeview isn't a true bubble, because the rise in prices isn't driven by speculation or people looking for a quick buck. The rice in prices is driven by genuine demand. But whether that increased demand is rational or not is a whole nother question.
Lakeview's dirty secret is that it's priced as if it's a great place to live, but it's actually not. Living in Lakeview is completely indistinguishable from living in any random Metairie neighborhood on the downtown side of Cleary; except the houses cost an extra $100K and insurance is higher. It's a shorter commute than Metairie, and you get to say you live "in New Orleans," but otherwise I don't see anything to justify the additional cost.
I realize this is a minority opinion.
Lakeview's dirty secret is that it's priced as if it's a great place to live, but it's actually not. Living in Lakeview is completely indistinguishable from living in any random Metairie neighborhood on the downtown side of Cleary; except the houses cost an extra $100K and insurance is higher. It's a shorter commute than Metairie, and you get to say you live "in New Orleans," but otherwise I don't see anything to justify the additional cost.
I realize this is a minority opinion.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:57 am to notiger1997
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Good for you, but you still live 18 miles away
A fact I am thankful for nearly every time I watch the news. Here's what I don't get about Lakeview: it is all the hassle of Orleans parish yet none of the "city" benefits. You still have to drive to everything, no good public transit coverage, and it is visually blah. At least Uptown and MidCity offer a real city feel and are close to downtown, etc.
Still, sheeple want to live where they feel comfortable. I have coworkers who are third generation Lakeview denizens. You'd think it was Paris' left bank the way they carry on about it. I drive thru and see architectural monstrosities (what's up with the faux Tuscan villas shoehorned onto a 60' wide lot?), little diversity, terrible streets, and OP politics. Not paying top dollar for any of that, thanks.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 12:44 pm to tigerpawl
Yeah, I saw that on nola.com over the weekend.
My opinion is there is no justification for those prices. It's just an opinion. Obviously many people disagree with me, because people are trying like crazy to buy in that area.
My opinion is there is no justification for those prices. It's just an opinion. Obviously many people disagree with me, because people are trying like crazy to buy in that area.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 12:55 pm to hungryone
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I have coworkers who are third generation Lakeview denizens. You'd think it was Paris' left bank the way they carry on about it. I drive thru and see architectural monstrosities (what's up with the faux Tuscan villas shoehorned onto a 60' wide lot?), little diversity, terrible streets, and OP politics.
As a Lakeview resident, I disagree with your overall characterization but must say that this is hilariously true.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Can the parts between the 17th street and West End be made to look as nice and wealthy as the parts between West End and the park?
There are about 2 blocks near me on that side that are new hardy plank, raised houses that look really damn sharp. Of course, the closer you get to the breach site, the less demo work you need to do, which possibly leads to more money put into the house. Once they get Fleur De Lis paved all the way, those prices could get even higher.
No one has mentioned this yet, but Hines is a huge draw. Not having to pay tuition on top of taxes goes a long way. Hell, that's why I moved there.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:18 pm to Saint5446
It's clearly a bubble, but it won't be coming down any time soon. It's an in-demand market for a reason.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:03 pm to kingbob
Rather have an acre in River Ridge.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:24 pm to hungryone
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I drive thru and see architectural monstrosities (what's up with the faux Tuscan villas shoehorned onto a 60' wide lot?)
I'm no architecture snob but it's funny to compare pre-2005 and post-2005 houses in LV. You will have these plain, blue collar looking 1500 sq foot brick houses surrounded on all sides by brand new tricked out 2-story homes built to within a foot of the property line.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:31 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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I'm no architecture snob but it's funny to compare pre-2005 and post-2005 houses in LV. You will have these plain, blue collar looking 1500 sq foot brick houses surrounded on all sides by brand new tricked out 2-story homes built to within a foot of the property line.
Yep, the McMansionization of quaint old Metairie has spread to Lakeview. I like prewar cottages, but I wouldn't want to live in a single story bungalow surrounded on three sides by 2.5 story, semi raised 2500+ sq ft infill houses. Your backyard privacy becomes nil, your streetscape changes dramatically, and it often becomes a drainage nightmare for the previously built owner next door.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:45 pm to Saint5446
I just paid about $300 a square foot in Uptown. I don't see the prices coming down very much over the next few years. The market is crazy right now. Having said that, I couldn't care less if the market did go down. We bought where we wanted to and couldn't see myself living in Lakeview or Old Metry.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 4:50 pm to hungryone
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You'd think it was Paris' left bank the way they carry on about it. I drive thru and see architectural monstrosities (what's up with the faux Tuscan villas shoehorned onto a 60' wide lot?), little diversity, terrible streets, and OP politics. Not paying top dollar for any of that, thanks.
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