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re: Pope Francis to issue edict on Climate Change, Greed, Social Inequality.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:49 pm to catholictigerfan
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:49 pm to catholictigerfan
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but I think the thought process of it's ok to sacrifice a few people for the sake of the many is flawed and wrong.
it's not "sacrifice". shite happens. life cannot control all externalities. humans cannot predict the future perfectly, either. sometimes what works today is unsafe tomorrow in the new system. sometimes producers cannot imagine the way consumers use a product in the future, and this can lead to unsafe usage. sometimes a design is just flawed and it's not possible to detect within reasonable cost confines
it seems like you're equating a defense of the system as a justification of specific deaths. that's not true at all
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 1:50 pm
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:50 pm to mahdragonz
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Not many people agree with this.
because it's not a workable system
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:51 pm to catholictigerfan
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I disagree, but I don't think we are going to get anywhere positive in this discussion.
seriously. you're arguing for laws, not courts.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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courts are necessary to determine ownership of property, damages, etc.
I agree
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they have nothing to do with morals/ethics
This is where we fundamentally disagree. The drive for profit puts morality/ethics way down the priority list. The threat of statutory damages keeps business semi honest and semi ethical.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:55 pm to Lakeboy7
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The drive for profit puts morality/ethics way down the priority list
but it doesn't. that's largely a myth born largely by various religions
the drive for profit is, in almost every case, an example of a search to create a product or service to improve human life. if you serve humanity in that way, and if you can produce that good/service at an affordable price point, then you will profit.
if you get "greedy", as in irrational, or engage in fraud or other "unethical" behavior, you may win in the short-term but you'll fail.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not "sacrifice". shite happens. life cannot control all externalities. humans cannot predict the future perfectly, either. sometimes what works today is unsafe tomorrow in the new system. sometimes producers cannot imagine the way consumers use a product in the future, and this can lead to unsafe usage. sometimes a design is just flawed and it's not possible to detect within reasonable cost confines
it seems like you're equating a defense of the system as a justification of specific deaths. that's not true at all
I'm not, I'm sry if this came across this way.
To put it as simply as I can
All men have certain rights due to them by justice. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness as our constitution says. No economic system can rightly take away this from anyone no matter how much growth it would bring. Rights are a party of morality at-least the way I define it, so morality is a part of economic practices.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:58 pm to catholictigerfan
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No economic system can rightly take away this from anyone no matter how much growth it would bring.
but this economic system gives that person the freedom to make his/her own choices. you're pushing for a system that, by definition, infringes his/her "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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seriously. you're arguing for laws, not courts.
ok fine what ever.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 1:58 pm to mahdragonz
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to me human life > growth of GDP.
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Not many people agree with this.
On this board maybe, seems the human condition is thinly veiled socialism here!
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but this economic system gives that person the freedom to make his/her own choices. you're pushing for a system that, by definition, infringes his/her "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"
I'm done trying to argue this. I think our main problem is that we don't agree on the terms we are using, and you also have a flawed understanding of the what the Church teaches on the economic side of things.
You put Pope Francis in the same category as Marx which to me is funny and just stupid.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:06 pm to catholictigerfan
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You put Pope Francis in the same category as Marx which to me is funny and just stupid.
Take it up with Huffpo/AP
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Pope Francis Calls For 'Legitimate Redistribution' Of Wealth To The Poor
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Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.
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He said a more equal form of economic progress can be had through "the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society."
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Catholic Church is kinda like Notre Dame... havent been relevant in a while and are clinging to the past... they havent been relevant for centuries quite frankly.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:11 pm to Ghazi
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havent been relevant in a while and are clinging to the past... they havent been relevant for centuries quite frankly.
You know before this Pope I would have agreed. This guy is smart though, really smart.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:12 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:Everything in its place. As SFP correctly said, people die across the world due to business/economic decisions. Some of that has to do with capitalism, some with government, some with the church. The "line" is reasonable effort. Though it's fine for the Pope to make suggestions regarding that "line", such suggestions should be taken for what they are worth. Considering the the Pope's inexperience with capitalism, and relatively greater familiarity with its antithesis, those suggestions might be worth very little.
Not many people agree with this.
I understand this and this is what I'm trying to argue for.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:14 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:Monks, Nuns, Brothers . . . . where do they live?
You put Pope Francis in the same category as Marx which to me is funny and just stupid.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
1) you take things way out of context, including what past popes have said. You have to understand that tradition is important in the Church. You can't look at what Pope Francis said without understanding what previous popes and councils have said.
2) It's pretty obvious you and the Pope disagree with many things,but I think you are being to extreme to call him the same as Marx, by a few out of context comments made by the Pope.
3) The Church which the Pope represents is far from socialist and has condemned it. Unless Francis goes against the Churches tradition at-least in the last 100 years, he will never even come close to socialism.
IF we are to put the Church in an economic category the best would probably be distributism which is not socialism.
2) It's pretty obvious you and the Pope disagree with many things,but I think you are being to extreme to call him the same as Marx, by a few out of context comments made by the Pope.
3) The Church which the Pope represents is far from socialist and has condemned it. Unless Francis goes against the Churches tradition at-least in the last 100 years, he will never even come close to socialism.
IF we are to put the Church in an economic category the best would probably be distributism which is not socialism.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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Monks, Nuns, Brothers . . . . where do they live?
They freely choose to live this life. Socialism forces everyone to live this way. Two completely different things.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:19 pm to catholictigerfan
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the best would probably be distributism
what is that?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:24 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:No. First Brothers and nuns live in Communes. They live the Marxist economic model. So do Monks. One could argue priests live under more of a socialist model, as opposed to communist.
They freely choose to live this life. Socialism forces everyone to live this way
Does not make Francis communist, or socialist, but it does render him more familiar with those models.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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