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re: S. Carolina voids conviction of 14 year old accused murderer
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:11 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:11 pm to ballscaster
I'm still waiting for all the skeptics to comment on the links I posted. They must be taking a long time trying to formulate some spin justifying an execution they know was wrong. Where is that mouthbreather weagle99?
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:13 pm to Holden Caulfield
some people do hold to their convictions, I don't know if I would...inconsolable murderous rage.
I could at least restrain myself from committing murder, but to know they aren't paying with what they took? don't know if I'd ever get over that.
watch penn and tellers bullshite...capital punishment. They really do a great job
I could at least restrain myself from committing murder, but to know they aren't paying with what they took? don't know if I'd ever get over that.
watch penn and tellers bullshite...capital punishment. They really do a great job
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:15 pm to weagle99
quote:This is irrelevant. He was not granted his Constitutional right to a fair trial, and he was executed based on an unfair trial's verdict and sentence. That he was murdered by the state is an indisputable fact, and the state that murdered him acknowledges the facts that confirm this; he may or may not have been guilty, but he definitely was executed wrongfully.
How do you know he was innocent?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:25 pm to DelU249
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not everyone agrees that it was some evil empire or fricking terrorist state as portrayed...
What would you call an entire society built around violently intimidating an underclass (based on skin color) and denying them equal standing before the law?
What would you call a society that would come out in their Sunday finery to pose for pictures with lynched bodies?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What would you call a society that would come out in their Sunday finery to pose for pictures with lynched bodies?
Used to be common practice. Hell, even outlaws killed in the old west were posed for the public to come and see.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:29 pm to DelU249
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pretty much, but I it's easy for me to say when I haven't had the misfortune of having someone I love taken from me in such an awful manner.
Often times, it's the families of the victim that plead for clemency on behalf of the murderer.
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If your college age daughter was kidnapped, raped, strangled, her corpse defiled numerous times, her head removed, etc...how would you feel? what if your infant was raped, murdered, etc. died alone and scared...and in pain. it's easy for us to say. if it is 100%, no question...fry them (but you know the standard will not be met and miscarriage of justices will occur) so yeah, I'm against the death penalty, but mostly because I'm fortunate
Justice is supposed to be dispassionate. I am against capital punishment in all cases...including dark, conjured up scenarios designed to be emotional.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
public displays of the executed aren't exclusive to the US, nor is discriminating against an underclass
people who think speak like you reveal how little they know about the world.
the human experience is riddled with violence, civilization isn't a flat line...it's a bell curve, you start somewhere, and no civilization, country or culture is in the unique position to claim moral superiority...relative to Europe, and most certainly the rest of the world, we're the least violent society, and the most free
people who think speak like you reveal how little they know about the world.
the human experience is riddled with violence, civilization isn't a flat line...it's a bell curve, you start somewhere, and no civilization, country or culture is in the unique position to claim moral superiority...relative to Europe, and most certainly the rest of the world, we're the least violent society, and the most free
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Often times, it's the families of the victim that plead for clemency on behalf of the murderer
how does this relate to this
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pretty much, but I it's easy for me to say when I haven't had the misfortune of having someone I love taken from me in such an awful manner.
and for the families that don't plead for clemency and call for death, are you entirely unsympathetic to their situation?
you're a god damn lunatic
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:02 pm to DelU249
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public displays of the executed aren't exclusive to the US, nor is discriminating against an underclass people who think speak like you reveal how little they know about the world.
Why is everyone talking about other countries? I'm talking about the US.
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and no civilization, country or culture is in the unique position to claim moral superiority
And yet the US seems to do that quite often...and WAS doing it during the period in question. A big part of why the CRA came when it did was because Kennedy was being embarrassed by the Russians on issues of civil rights. He was lecturing the evil soviets while Jim Crow was in his backyard.
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...relative to Europe, and most certainly the rest of the world, we're the least violent society, and the most free
I don't agree with the former, not even close. And I don't really believe the latter anymore either. We are horribly unfree. And I'm not talking about racial issues.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:04 pm to DelU249
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families that don't plead for clemency and call for death, are you entirely unsympathetic to their situation?
I'm not unsympathetic, I'm simply saying one angry person is not who gets to decide, so my theoretical distraught emotional state if my grandson were killed or whatever is entirely irrelevant to my lack of support for the death penalty. Throwing out wild hypotheticals does nothing whatsoever to illuminate the topic. Nothing.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:04 pm to REG861
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So, in other words, no innocent blacks were ever killed during the Jim Crow era. That is what you are suggesting, correct?
Does your question imply that you believe there was never an innocent white person executed by the State during the Jim Crow era?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:04 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Does your question imply that you believe there was never an innocent white person executed by the State during the Jim Crow era?
It certainly implies that the ratio of blacks to whites in this regard would be off by orders of magnitude.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:07 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Does your question imply that you believe there was never an innocent white person executed by the State during the Jim Crow era?
Of course not. For instance, there are noted incidents of whites who were killed by lynch mobs for being involved in the Civil Rights movement. But don't act like blacks didn't receive the worst of it during Jim Crow. Laws were created to keep blacks disenfranchised. No amount of non sequiturs and deviations will change that fact.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:08 pm to REG861
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Of course not. For instance, there are noted incidents of whites who were killed by lynch mobs for being involved in the Civil Rights movement. But don't act like blacks didn't receive the worst of it during Jim Crow. Laws were created to keep blacks disenfranchised. No amount of non sequiturs and deviations will change that fact.
They simply are unable to give an unqualified: "Jim Crow was a horrific evil with potentially lingering effects". It isn't in them. They can't do it.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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They simply are unable to give an unqualified: "Jim Crow was a horrific evil with potentially lingering effects". It isn't in them. They can't do it.
I'm still waiting for that neanderthal weagle99 to come along with a single piece of substantial evidence that this poor kid was in fact the murderer. And where did Navy go? He must really be struggling with the assigned reading I gave him.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:10 pm to DelU249
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I'm against the death penalty, but mostly because I'm fortunate
I'm for the death penalty and I have not had a loved one murdered.
If you commit the ultimate crime, you need to suffer the ultimate punishment.
Murder is a crime that needs to be proportionally punished.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:10 pm to REG861
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REG861
Jimmies: [Still Rustled] Calm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:12 pm to ballscaster
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This is irrelevant
Question is completely relevant to the people in this thread claiming he was innocent. You are on a different topic.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:12 pm to weagle99
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Jimmies: [Still Rustled] Calm
translation: I can't compete intellectually with the rest of this board and have nothing intelligent or worthwhile to offer. Sorry the public education system failed you so badly.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Big Scrub TX
What other country or society do you feel has a better record in the past or now with regards to treatment of blacks or other races?
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