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re: S. Carolina voids conviction of 14 year old accused murderer
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:24 am to weagle99
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:24 am to weagle99
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So he was innocent? Did new evidence come to light that shows he was innocent?
Aside from the obvious evidence in the first case? Where was the evidence that he was guilty? Why are you defending this. Cant you just admit ONCE that innocent people were executed without due process and/or lynched back in the day? I suppose you think Emmitt Till got what he deserved too?
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:25 am to Scruffy
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. Yes, America was very bad towards blacks 70 years ago.
This particular instance was 70 years ago...20 years before the south was brought kicking and screaming into the CRA era. How much does it beggar belief to believe that the rottenness which infected such a system simply vanished overnight...WITH NO LINGERING NEGATIVE IMPACTS?
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This will now be used to paint current America as more racist than it actually is.
And it would be a reasonable argument. See above.
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This has no bearing on today's society.
I think it's naïve at best to believe such a thing.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:26 am to weagle99
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the real problems facing the black community today
The "real problems" facing the black community today are fallout from this past era. The highly asymmetric prosecution of the drug war would be a good place for you to start looking.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:26 am to Big Scrub TX
You ask:
In response to my statement:
So, acknowledging the possibility is not enough for you. I need to just go ahead an say he's innocent, otherwise, I am a racist.
Good Lord, you are a dumbass.
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Why does it pain you so very much to simply go with the odds and say: "It's pretty likely that a 14 year old black kid in 1944 South Carolina was horribly railroaded by an evil and rotten system".
In response to my statement:
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However, I take issue with the automatic argument that the kid was completely innocent and was railroaded. Might that be the case? Certainly... (emphasis added)
So, acknowledging the possibility is not enough for you. I need to just go ahead an say he's innocent, otherwise, I am a racist.
Good Lord, you are a dumbass.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:26 am to REG861
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Cant you just admit ONCE that innocent people were executed without due process and/or lynched back in the day
If I see a case where I believe they were innocent, yes. However what I have read about the facts of this case lead me to believe this person was guilty.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:27 am to weagle99
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How do you know he was innocent? Again, did new evidence come to light that shows he was innocent?
I just think it is laughable when people work themselves into a frenzy over stories such as this while studiously avoiding any discussion about the real problems facing the black community today due to political correctness.
It's funny because I know you consider yourself a conservative. A real conservative, like myself, abhors miscarriages of justice. We despise governmental overreach into our lives. The idea of a corrupt governmental entity taking away a life without due process is the most fundamental violation of American life and society. You aren't a conservative, you're a chicken hawk coward.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:28 am to weagle99
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However what I have read about the facts of this case lead me to believe this person was guilty.
What facts are those? The fact that he 'confessed,' despite having an alibi from his family?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:29 am to REG861
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despite having an alibi from his family?
No potential bias there.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:30 am to udtiger
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No potential bias there.
Oh, and a 14 year old black kid didn't face bias in Jim Crow South Carolina?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:30 am to Big Scrub TX
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The "real problems" facing the black community today are fallout from this past era.
Black males abandon their children today because George Wallace stood in a schoolhouse door?
Black males are killing each other because SC once had a Confederate Flag on the statehouse?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:32 am to Big Scrub TX
We all know that there were many injustices in the past and some injustices continue to this day. History is replete with stories of injustices in every country and with all races.
We should learn lessons from history and try to not repeat previous wrongs.
We should learn lessons from history and try to not repeat previous wrongs.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:33 am to REG861
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You aren't a conservative, you're a chicken hawk coward.
I think most conservatives are hypocrites, so you got part of this right.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:33 am to Revelator
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We should learn lessons from history and try to not repeat previous wrongs.
hard to do when the self-described conservatives on this board are in firm denial that a governmental problem ever existed.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:36 am to REG861
The following 22 countries are believed by Amnesty International to have carried out executions in 2013: Afghanistan (2), Bangladesh (2), Botswana (1), China (+), India (1), Indonesia (5), Iran (369+), Iraq (169+), Japan (8), Kuwait (5), Malaysia (2+), Nigeria (4), North Korea (+), Palestinian Authority (3+, by the Hamas de facto administration in Gaza), Saudi Arabia (79+), Somalia (34+; 15+ by the Federal Government, and 19+ in Puntland), South Sudan (4+), Sudan (21+), Taiwan (6), USA (39), Viet Nam (7+), Yemen (13+).
Some good company we are keeping here.
Some good company we are keeping here.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:41 am to weagle99
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S. Carolina voids conviction of 14 year old accused murderer
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The "real problems" facing the black community today are fallout from this past era.
Black males abandon their children today because George Wallace stood in a schoolhouse door?
Black males are killing each other because SC once had a Confederate Flag on the statehouse?
Eh, Jim Crow a was a little more than that. Also, you have to admit that SOMETHING changed, because neither of those things was a problem in the black community in 1944.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:46 am to LordSaintly
quote:Although some may disagree, I think a lot if the post-CRA legislation directed towards blacks had a big hand in that outcome.
Eh, Jim Crow a was a little more than that. Also, you have to admit that SOMETHING changed, because neither of those things was a problem in the black community in 1944.
Sad.
War on Drugs is probably the largest culprit though.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:47 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:46 am to Big Scrub TX
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died in the electric chair less than three months after the killings
Too bad we cannot have such swift justice nowadays. There are some guilty-as-hell-very-bad-people who sit on death row for 3+ decades in some cases.
Waste of taxpayer dollars.
Regarding this case ... did the kid not do it?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:47 am to navy
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Regarding this case ... did the kid not do it
There is no evidence that he did, other than a forced confession. No physical or corroborating evidence whatsoever. He barely received a trial.
Supposedly a family member of the two girls confessed on his death bed to doing it later on.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:52 am to REG861
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There is no evidence that he did, other than a forced confession.
Hook us up with a first-hand account of how this went down.
You were there, right?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:53 am to udtiger
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I have no problem with the decision in that it is correct on constitutional grounds.
However, I take issue with the automatic argument that the kid was completely innocent and was railroaded.
Might that be the case? Certainly. But, as I pointed out, that is not always the case.
1. None of us, including the state, have valid evidence or records to support or dispute the conviction.
2. That said, I find it difficult to think of this trial and anything but shameful considering the due process standard in this country. A one-day murder trial with apparently very little evidence of a 14 year old that results in death at the hands of the state is not dissimilar from Sharia or Roman due process in its outcome.
3. Like many here, I'm sick of the race card. However, this is not outrage from asking someone to get an item of the shelf or moving a bag on a subway. There were statutory differences and rights afforded to people based on skin color in this time. It's not a stretch to assume race/class were factors in the outcome.
4. It was not that long ago. Can you even imagine pulling an 8th grader out of St. Aloysius or St. Jude, having a one day murder trial and killing him by running electrodes through his head and legs 3 months later? Not I society I want any part of.
5. I no longer believe in empowering the government to take life as I've grown older. I understand this was 70 years ago and extreme, but mistakes are made far too often. It's not a deterrent.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 12:01 pm
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