re: Dude on Gawker says close all frats--they're rape factories

It's clear there were institutional problems at UVA, and I'm sure there are plenty of chapters across the nation that condone, or least underplay, the existence of this behavior.

BUT this is far from the norm or at least far different from my experience. The RS article makes me want to puke. I can't imagine this ever happening at my chapter. As an alum, I look back at the stupid shite we did or thoughts we carried, but it was never close to this level and if we heard of anyone doing something like this, they'd get an immediate expulsion.

Hell, I don't know though... you get enough dumbshits together (and all it takes is a small handful from what could be an overall upstanding group of guys) for impressionable minds to be convinced this shite is tolerable behavior.

I hate for a few rotten eggs to spoil the vast different experiences other greeks had, but the UVA stories are certainly eye opening and point toward an institutional problem that requires thorough assessment.

Calling frats "rape factories" is hyperbolic bullshite, but I can't deny that 100 drunk college bros *may* provide the opportunity for a more enabling environment... just as any group of idiots who hang together can, whether established under an organized name or not.

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men who enter fraternities are three times as likely to commit rape as their fellow students who do not.

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Imagine that. Greeks gonna greek

They're probably also 3x as likely to have consensual sex as your average male student though

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The Rolling Stone article was sensationalized. Northern Fraternities and Western Fraternities are garbage. Not saying Southern Fraternities are in-capable of rape, but they're a lot better than the northern and western fraternities.

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Probably true. As a pledge and later on the other side of pledge training, violence or sexual assault was an area we did not toy around with. In my 4 years we had one girl who, during a dispute about a guy not wanting her around anymore, made some really vague allegation of being taken advantage of.

We promptly told her we'd get the cops out to take her report on the spot. She cried and apologized and disappeared until people forgave her.

Honestly, I can't think of something that'll get you fricked more quickly in southern fraternity life than mistreatment of a female. It'll be a shame if PC eventually ruins greek life.

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There have also been college football teams that raped chicks. Ban all college football while you're at it....

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the author would doubtlessly be ok with this.

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Ban men

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And this.

When is LSU going to do this and get back to education?

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One awful incident, and a handful pulled together over thirty years, does not make a 'rape culture'.

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It doesn't happen as often as people think. It is probably the statistically as anywhere else except that you might have more alcohol involved. When are they going to start talking about slut's remorse. Kid's lives get ruined because a girl doesn't want to say she wanted dick and went where there was a hundred miles of it.

Instead of banning shite, how about we teach some responsibility and morals.

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One awful incident, and a handful pulled together over thirty years, does not make a 'rape culture'. Also contrast the quotes from students about Dean Eramo with Erdley's editorial.

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I get that you're a UVA fan/alum and we just aren't going to see eye to eye on this, but it was way more than a handful. Regardless, the issue isn't a proposed "rape culture," it's the administrations handling of complaints that amounts to a self-admitted cover-up (e.g. Eramo's comment about crime reports being mislabeled because no one wants to send their daughter to the rape school). There is no excuse for trying to handle any felony in-house, and not having mandatory reporting for admins in place. Even if you think the accuser is full of shite, it's not even fair to the accused and leads to exactly what's happening now.

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OR....young girls could just stay away from frat houses and frat douches?

Instead of banning and outlawing shite all of the time we need to be teaching responsibility.

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Your white male privilege is showing.

You guys at TKE gonna let me in this go around?