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re: Cam Cameron's ability

Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61116 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:23 pm to
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You're wrong. All we need is a 60% completion QB and the philosophy is fine.


How is 60% even possible? We have one or two throwing options any time we throw, and passing plays are only 30% of the time. If its that simple then why is our offense forfeiting even average success 4 out of the last 5 years? Obviously as currently structured that feat is more difficult than it sounds. Even guys at schools like Texas Tech can accomplish that with inferior offensive lines, running backs, receivers, all while being apart of a team with a losing record. 60% is good in the NFL, NOT COLLEGE. It's average in college. There are currently 57 QB's in CFB with a completion % at 60 or above. Lots of true freshman, true sophs, and inexperience galore. Did LSU just pick the shittiest system in the world? Sounds like they are doing something obviously wrong if everyone else can get adequate numbers with less to work with.

Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:28 pm to
Of the top 10 teams in this week’s CFP standings, eight of them throw more than 41 percent of the time. The exceptions are No. 8 Ohio State (36.4 percent) and No. 9 Auburn (33.2 percent).
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Alabama - Sr
Oregon - Jr
Florida state - RdSo. won Heisman
Mississippi state - Jr
TCU - Jr
Baylor - Sr
Ole Miss - Sr
UCLA - Jr
Georgia - Sr


LSU - true So.
Posted by jhhingle
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
3108 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:34 pm to
Will get attacked for this, can not question the system; will get deluged with: remember the 90's, CLM best record of any previous coach, 1 of few teams with 9+ W's the last 5 years, young team, most elite era Tiger FB, we are average so be happy with, are just obsessed with Bama, we are shitting on our team, etc. on and on, but the fact remains we will end up unranked and maybe 7th place sec!
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
33983 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:35 pm to
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So our coordinator is paid an insane amount of money to let Les run the offense. All this because he and Les are friends. If this is so then Les will be gone soon. Program can't operate unless everyone knows their job and is allowed to do their job.



Cameron needed a job. Miles and Cameron are from that UM Rat Pack coaching staff of the late 1970's thru the mid 1990's. At least 3 times Miles got Cameron a job in either the NFL or NCAA
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61116 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:36 pm to
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but the fact remains we will end up unranked and maybe 7th place sec!



And paying the guys responsible for this performance a collective $10 million I assume? Likely more cost used for operations, training staff, medical staff etc.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:40 pm to
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How is 60% even possible? We have one or two throwing options any time we throw, and passing plays are only 30% of the time. If its that simple then why is our offense forfeiting even average success 4 out of the last 5 years


We haven't had a QB with less than 57% since 2008. And we had "average success" in 2010, 2011, and 2012 as well as 2013. You just assume that average success means the same thing as above-average success.

FYI, 2008 and 2009 were the only years since this one that we've started a freshman and/or sophomore QB.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66360 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:42 pm to
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Cameron needed a job. Miles and Cameron are from that UM Rat Pack coaching staff of the late 1970's thru the mid 1990's.


Cam cameron could have gotten a job at a lot of NFL teams. It isn't like the Ravens sucked before he was fired, they were 9-3. He also was also there for the development of several elite NFL QBs.

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At least 3 times Miles got Cameron a job in either the NFL or NCAA


What are you talking about?
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:43 pm to
I think you are over thinking it
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66360 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:47 pm to
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Likely more cost used for operations, training staff, medical staff etc.


We probably gonna need that if we win 15 or lose 15 games.
So lets not bring that up.

We also aren'y exactly losing to coaches making pennies. Mullen is making 2.65 and that is going to change in a big way after this year.

Hell this is his first year with a winning conference record, and he is machine 2.65 million.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:07 pm to
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I personally do not think a scrambling QB can be taught to be a pocket passer


hold you horses. you really don't know that. THE PROBLEM IS our #1 qb is terrible at passing accuracy. I think he is coming around on having a bit more presence tho. it doesn't matter if you can't hit the broad side of a barn on 50% of your passes.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61116 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

We haven't had a QB with less than 57% since 2008.


False. Jefferson 2010 had a 56.5 % completion percentage.

LINK


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And we had "average success" in 2010, 2011, and 2012 as well as 2013. You just assume that average success means the same thing as above-average success.



False. How can you call our production "average" if most teams have better production?


2010

Total Offense -86th out of 120 (you honestly call that average?)

Passing efficiency-92nd out of 120

Passing Offense-107th out of 120

Scoring offense=45th out of 120 (12th ranked total defense)

First Down offense=94th

3rd down conversions-75th

Tied for dead last in NCAA in Red Zone Passing TD's with 3

Tied with- Army, Air Force, Utah St., New Mexico St., Midd Tenn St..

Hell, even Georgia Tech with a triple option offense threw for 4TD passes. What type of prolific passers are they recruiting there? Guess they'd rather go run the ball 80% of the time at GT instead of utilizing that unheard of passing prowess in Baton Rouge that LSU just seems to be tricked into missing almost every recruiting year ever during Les Miles tenure.


2011 (13-1) team.

Total Offense -86th out of 120 (this team was 13-0 during the season)

Passing efficiency-24th out of 120

Passing Offense-106th out of 120 (efficient but no real production in terms of yards)

Scoring offense=17th out of 120 (8th ranked total defense)

First Down offense=80th

3rd down conversions-31st

Putting 2011 into perspective:

#2 total defense
#2 scoring defense
#16 in turnovers gained
#2 in turnover margin in NCAA
#14 sacks
#12 punt returns team
#5 punt return yardage defense
#26 kick off return yardage defense
#3 in net punting
#3 passing efficiency defense

In other words, everything BUT the offense was far above the rest of NCAA.




2012

Total Offense -85th out of 120 (still average?)

Passing efficiency-77th out of 120

Passing Offense-92nd out of 120

Scoring offense=58th out of 120 (8th ranked total defense)

First Down offense=97th

3rd down conversions-60th

Red Zone offense- only 6 Red Zone passing TD's:

Only teams with fewer Red Zone passing TD's, LSU was also in the top 10 in amount of FG's. (In other words huge failure to convert in RZ, probably from inability to pass)

Air Force-triple option
New Mexico (3-8 record)
Georgia Tech-triple option
Navy-Triple option
Kansas (3-8 overall)
Iowa (4-8 that season)
Southern Miss (0-12, winless under Ellis Johnson)
Kent St.
Auburn (3-9 record that season Gene Chizik fired)
Colorado St.


Look for yourself





Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:25 pm to
You went to a lot of work to post stats while completely omitting anything related to rushing, which is our primary option of attack.

Good job in being selective.
Posted by tiger25
Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
2197 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

Good job in being selective


that's the way of the rant
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:35 pm to
FYI here's what those stats tell me.

2010 - 45th scoring offense
2011 - 17th scoring offense
2012 - 58th scoring offense

The offenses job is to put points on the board whether they drive 9 yards or 99.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:40 pm to
I just don't think it's very likely that jennings will be benched. The only way harris plays is if jennings is hurt.

does anyone honestly think Miles is going to bench jennings as a junior or senior?

jarrett lee was a turnover machine in 2008 and didn't see the bench until he hurt his ankle in the ole miss game. For miles love of not turning the ball over, lee basically dared les to bench him in 2008, and he wouldn't.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:50 pm to
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For miles love of not turning the ball over, lee basically dared les to bench him in 2008, and he wouldn't.


As far as we know he was trying to preserve JJs redshirt and prevent him from seeing action before he was ready. Better to alter the development of one QB than two.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66360 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:52 pm to
I honestly think we Harris wills tart next year. Another year in the offense, and he has just way more physical gifts than Jennings.

they are definitely thinking past this year with Harris.
quote:

arrett lee was a turnover machine in 2008 and didn't see the bench until he hurt his ankle in the ole miss game. For miles love of not turning the ball over, lee basically dared les to bench him in 2008, and he wouldn't.


the back up was a true freshmen who wasn't even an early enrollee.
Hell, Lee was supposed to be the third string QB behind RP and Hatch if RP got hurt.
Benching your third for your fifth who has been practicing with the team for 4 months is a shitty option.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

As far as we know he was trying to preserve JJs redshirt


they burned JJ's redshirt in the third game of that year so I don't buy that at all

Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:55 pm to
they got him into games though. even early as the 3rd game in 2008
Posted by mojoey
Covington
Member since Sep 2013
1185 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:57 pm to
I don't care if we're last in stats, as long as we're SEC champs and are in contention for the National Championship. Anyone that says being in contention is not realistic because of all the excuses we have needs to seriously ask the question why do we play the game. I may be of a different mentality than most, but I can't stand accepting defeat. I think it becomes a culture that is almost impossible to change without a complete overhaul of an organization.
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