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re: Cam Cameron's ability
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:38 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:38 pm to monsterballads
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shite even saban is running the damn spread with kiffin
that definitely is not the spread.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:39 pm to mojoey
These QBs are Cam's QBs. He has worked with them from day one.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:40 pm to SammyTiger
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14 interceptions as a senior
This is what is standing out to me about Harris... I think he has the same gunslinger mentality as Mett... Which is admirable and I think it'll pay dividends. But Mett single-handedly lost us the Ole Miss game last year by forcing passes.
Harris has also pressed a bit with some of his throws this year.
As with all our young players, Harris needs to develop into our QB of the future.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:43 pm to tiger25
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that definitely is not the spread.
a lot of spread elements with sim in the shotgun bro
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:45 pm to tiggerthetooth
If Cam is such a great QB developer then show us. The weakest part of our team is QB. This reflects directly on him.
I praised him when he was hired due to comments I heard Archie Manning make. Archie Manning stated he had great confidence in him because of his ability to work with and develop QBs.
I praised him when he was hired due to comments I heard Archie Manning make. Archie Manning stated he had great confidence in him because of his ability to work with and develop QBs.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:46 pm to chilge1
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I think he has the same gunslinger mentality as Mett
That gunslinger mentality is what scares the hell out of Miles
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:49 pm to OchoDedos
How can a coach that is such a great QB developer allow the weakest part of your team to be QB?
That shite just does not add up.
That shite just does not add up.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:50 pm to monsterballads
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a lot of spread elements with sim in the shotgun bro
every team has some sort of "spread elements" in there offense. Kiffin runs a west coast style of offense. they are running the same stuff that he ran when he was at USC when he had barkley except he is using some of the benefits that he has in a mobile QB.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:51 pm to mojoey
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If Cam is such a great QB developer then show us. .
Mett jr year to senior year.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:52 pm to mojoey
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If Cam is such a great QB developer then show us. The weakest part of our team is QB. This reflects directly on him.
I praised him when he was hired due to comments I heard Archie Manning make. Archie Manning stated he had great confidence in him because of his ability to work with and develop QBs.
No one is saying he is great. It's just a complete misconception to say he's a failure because he's been fired from A position. He's had many coaching gigs, and he had to do something positive to get there in the first place.
Also, why in the hell is Archie Manning the only authority on this matter? Did you listen to anyone else? Archie knows football, but he's not some all-knowing guy. He could be wrong just as much as anyone else.
Maybe consider the fact that Cam isn't just given free reign of the offensive system. These college kids don't have the time the NFL guys do to practice and learn playbook, and LSU's offensive line, and running backs have grown up in a system of Les Miles style. I don't think Cam is going to just shove Les out of the way and do what he wants. Les got him this gig, and a well-paid gig it is, and Les being his friend I don't think Cam is going to stick his nose anywhere Les might feel betrayed.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:54 pm to geauxjo
Mett looked pretty good since the bama game of his Jr year IMO
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:57 pm to tiggerthetooth
If Les is controlling the offense and not Cam then that would make sense. But if this is so then what good is Cam. He then becomes no better than any other coordinator.
If this is the case then we have serious problems for the future of the program under the tutelage of Les.
If this is the case then we have serious problems for the future of the program under the tutelage of Les.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:59 pm to mojoey
I genuinely think every offensive at LSU we've seen is a product of what Les wants to do and what the offensive coordinator wants to do.
Jimbo + Les = Mostly Jimbo offense w/ some Les thrown in (75% JF, 25% LM)
(Les tries to gain more control--> Jimbo leaves)
Gary Crowton + Les = perfect balance, half Les, half Crowton (Les 50% , GC(50%)
Crowton leaves
Studrawa + Les = 100% Les Miles offense
Stud leaves
Cam + Les = 100% Les, but Cam bring a little common sense, and cleans up the Les version of it all, which is what we're seeing. It doesn't look as shitty as the 2011 Jordan Jefferson offense, but its still pretty much the same.
This is how I assume the interaction btw Les and Cam goes
Cam (as a fond friend of Les's): "Les, I know you've had success in CFB, and I am so appreciative of this gig, and my family has been welcomed and I am getting paid well without the NFL cutthroat employment style, I want to help you make this team great, so I'm going to follow your lead because you've done it (shows Cam ring), and these kids respect you."
Then Les does exactly was Les has done and Cam just helps it get executed slightly better.
Jimbo + Les = Mostly Jimbo offense w/ some Les thrown in (75% JF, 25% LM)
(Les tries to gain more control--> Jimbo leaves)
Gary Crowton + Les = perfect balance, half Les, half Crowton (Les 50% , GC(50%)
Crowton leaves
Studrawa + Les = 100% Les Miles offense
Stud leaves
Cam + Les = 100% Les, but Cam bring a little common sense, and cleans up the Les version of it all, which is what we're seeing. It doesn't look as shitty as the 2011 Jordan Jefferson offense, but its still pretty much the same.
This is how I assume the interaction btw Les and Cam goes
Cam (as a fond friend of Les's): "Les, I know you've had success in CFB, and I am so appreciative of this gig, and my family has been welcomed and I am getting paid well without the NFL cutthroat employment style, I want to help you make this team great, so I'm going to follow your lead because you've done it (shows Cam ring), and these kids respect you."
Then Les does exactly was Les has done and Cam just helps it get executed slightly better.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:03 pm to mojoey
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If Les is controlling the offense and not Cam then that would make sense. But if this is so then what good is Cam. He then becomes no better than any other coordinator.
If this is the case then we have serious problems for the future of the program under the tutelage of Les.
I think to say one person COMPLETELY controls it is wrong. Cam obviously puts his effort into it, and uses his judgment many times. The very core of the offensive philosophy is what needs to be uprooted and thrown into the trash. It's not like Cam came into LSU and completely changed the offense.
Am I the only one who notices the same stupid arse slapping signal in the shot gun formations? Lee and Jefferson did that shite on the regular. That was there 2 years before Cam even thought about coming to LSU. There is a lot of the same terminology. Cam got paid as much because he was respected in the football coaching world, he has NFL success, he was Les's buddy, LSU had money and was desperate for a coaching shake-up the fans believed it. The only issue is that was all on the surface and nothing in the day-to-day offensive attitude likely changed at all.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
The only way this bastardized offense is going to work is with a Matt Mauck/Matt Flynn type QB.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The very core of the offensive philosophy is what needs to be uprooted and thrown into the trash.
You're wrong. All we need is a 60% completion QB and the philosophy is fine.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:13 pm to OchoDedos
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The only way this bastardized offense is going to work is with a Matt Mauck/Matt Flynn type QB.
Both those guys had a more wide-open offense and Matt Mauck played over a decade ago.
Here's a stat from a Rabalais article a little while back. I wouldn't care if LSU ran the ball as much as they do as long as they have the ability to pass the ball if they need. It's stupid to me if they run the ball ad nauseous even if they're up by 30, and then when they need to pass the ball its like an infant trying to walk for the first time, and then Les wonders why it doesn't work.
He needs to stop wasting opportunities. Every coach under the sun throws guys out there to just learn (Baptism by fire) on the go. I think had Jennings been let go to just learn the hard way earlier in the season, then he wouldn't be as bad at this point. Les has failed at using in-game opportunities in prior seasons to develop QB weaknesses, and its no wonder why our QB's never have any confidence.
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Of the top 10 teams in this week’s CFP standings, eight of them throw more than 41 percent of the time. The exceptions are No. 8 Ohio State (36.4 percent) and No. 9 Auburn (33.2 percent).
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:14 pm to mojoey
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These QBs are Cam's QBs. He has worked with them from day one.
he only recruited Harris though.
Jennings had already signed.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:15 pm to BigBrod81
So our coordinator is paid an insane amount of money to let Les run the offense. All this because he and Les are friends. If this is so then Les will be gone soon. Program can't operate unless everyone knows their job and is allowed to do their job.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:15 pm to OchoDedos
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The only way this bastardized offense is going to work is with a Matt Mauck/Matt Flynn type QB.
I definitely think Harris can be a QB of that quality.
Maybe just not this year.
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