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re: Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?

Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:04 pm to
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How does one, therefore, logically support Christian beliefs but not Muslim beliefs or vise versa?


The two biggest statistical predictors of religious affiliation are the religious affiliation of one's parents and the location of birth.

For instance, if you are born in America you have a 76% chance of claiming Christianity at some point in your life after age 18. If you are born in America to Christian parents, that goes up to 92%.

However, if you are born in India your lifetime chance of claiming Christianity is 6%.

Those numbers are roughly reversed if we're talking about Hinduism.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:08 pm to
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Are you categorizing religion as part of science class, or are you dropping AGW into religion class?


I'm not convinced based on the evidence available that humans are the primary force driving the global warming trend. Sure we have an impact, but I find the factual claims of human driven exponential increases in warming rates to be somewhat spurious.

So I would say that anyone who claims to know beyond all doubt that humans are the primary cause of global warming are in the same class as those who claim to know that Jesus was God and rose from the dead, yes. Both groups infer something substantial based on limited evidence and in some instances evidence to the contrary.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 4:09 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:10 pm to
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I'm not convinced based on the evidence available that humans are the primary force driving the global warming trend. Sure we have an impact, but I find the factual claims of human driven exponential increases in warming rates to be somewhat spurious.
Holy Smokes!

Welcome to the Dark Side.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:11 pm to
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At least until the 2nd Coming.


The expiration date on that prophecy was around 1900 years ago. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:13 pm to
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The expiration date on that prophecy was around 1900 years ago. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Posted by CountryVolFan
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:14 pm to
If you want to know how terrible someone's science is re: religion, just listen to their argument for global warming...

It really is for the logically challenged.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:15 pm to
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Holy Smokes!

Welcome to the Dark Side


I've never claimed differently, I enjoy laughing at those who pray to the alter of AGW as much as the next guy.

Many on this board insist I'm some sort of beacon of liberalism and infer all kinds of things about my beliefs, despite an extensive posting history revealing my consistent disagreement with liberals and the democratic party in general.

I feel like anything other than a blind salute to neo-conservatism gives one the liberal label here.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:18 pm to
Well, Jesus DID claim he would return in the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples ;)

I'm aware of all the explanations for that used in Christian apologetics, and not all are completely ridiculous, but its fun to poke fun given how literal many take other aspects of the Bible.

Regardless, I've always maintained I'll be the first on a bent knee if Jesus comes riding out of the clouds on a white stallion. In fact if the choices are oblivion or a global battle with a pitchwork wielding Satan, the latter would be far more exciting.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:19 pm to
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Many on this board insist I'm some sort of beacon of liberalism
Maybe I've missed that too.
I was just under the impression you were an AGW guy. Good for you RK, good for you.








Oh! and . . . . .
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:24 pm to
I'll be at the game, though I'm not sure I can sneak in enough alcohol to make the cripple fight at Kyle entertaining
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:28 pm to
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I was just under the impression you were an AGW guy.


It would hardly be fair of me to pick on the anti-evolution crowd and then turn around do more or less the same thing they do with regards to climate change.

It also helps that I have a meteorologist and an oceanographer in my family who have a lot of insight into climate change research and have provided me with a lot of convincing information about the incredibly unscientific and biased manner in which the studies are conducted. My uncle actually had a climatologist associate who contacted him and asked if he would help him "skew" data regarding ocean warming trends.
Posted by CountryVolFan
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:30 pm to
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Well, Jesus DID claim he would return in the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples ;)


Nope
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:31 pm to
Matthew 16: 27-28

Matthew 24: 25-34

Mark 13: 26-30

Luke 21: 27-32
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:35 pm to
Hey RK, JFWIW,
Regarding the Exodus
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:37 pm to
Did they find Yul Brynner down there by chance?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:40 pm to
Also, this gif



Posted by CountryVolFan
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:45 pm to
Again... Nope...
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:45 pm to
I'm listening
Posted by CountryVolFan
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:49 pm to
I'm not going to derail this thread or get in a religious discussion with you on the Poli Board.

Suffice to say, that the passages you posted are talking about the coming of the Kingdom, not the Second Coming.
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