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#SECBias is the easiest thing to debunk, ever
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:49 am
School - Winning % - Opponents' Winning % - Opponents' Opponents' Winning %
Alabama 0.900 0.583 0.599
Oregon 0.900 0.613 0.555
Florida State 1.000 0.514 0.563
Mississippi State 0.900 0.595 0.567
Texas Christian 0.900 0.521 0.533
Ohio State 0.900 0.561 0.537
Baylor 0.889 0.470 0.520
Marshall 1.000 0.385 0.464
While we can debate the order of the current top four, that's a moot point since there is effectively no difference between finishing #1 and finishing #4 (playoff games at neutral sites), it is really hard to justify, using a comprehensive method, the idea that either TCU, Ohio State, or Baylor has outdone one of the top four this season. The three one-loss teams with the toughest schedules have been, so far, Alabama, Oregon, and Mississippi State. It should come as no surprise that those three are ranked ahead of TCU/tOSU/BU.
#SECBias is a myth. There is no bias; only logic and deductive reasoning based on game results.
Alabama 0.900 0.583 0.599
Oregon 0.900 0.613 0.555
Florida State 1.000 0.514 0.563
Mississippi State 0.900 0.595 0.567
Texas Christian 0.900 0.521 0.533
Ohio State 0.900 0.561 0.537
Baylor 0.889 0.470 0.520
Marshall 1.000 0.385 0.464
While we can debate the order of the current top four, that's a moot point since there is effectively no difference between finishing #1 and finishing #4 (playoff games at neutral sites), it is really hard to justify, using a comprehensive method, the idea that either TCU, Ohio State, or Baylor has outdone one of the top four this season. The three one-loss teams with the toughest schedules have been, so far, Alabama, Oregon, and Mississippi State. It should come as no surprise that those three are ranked ahead of TCU/tOSU/BU.
#SECBias is a myth. There is no bias; only logic and deductive reasoning based on game results.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 11:51 am
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:00 pm to ballscaster
Do you think that a team that doesn't win it's division deserves a shot at a playoff?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:02 pm to KosmoCramer
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Do you think that a team that doesn't win it's division deserves a shot at a playoff?
Why wouldn't it, if the team it lost to is in the same division?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:04 pm to fleaux
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Why wouldn't it, if the team it lost to is in the same division?
Because we already have the result of the two matching up. Alabama had game control all over Mississippi State.
Why would we need to see that again?
I'm not in favor of auto qualifying for conference champions, but I think you would at least need to win your division to have a shot.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:08 pm to KosmoCramer
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Because we already have the result of the two matching up. Alabama had game control all over Mississippi State.
Why would we need to see that again?
I'm not in favor of auto qualifying for conference champions, but I think you would at least need to win your division to have a shot.
Short memory? Not all games play out the same. See Alabama vs LSU in the NCG.
I guess you were against Bama going to that game too?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:09 pm to Mystery
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I guess you were against Bama going to that game too?
Absolutely.
They shouldn't have been there.
But that game 9-6 game was different than the MSU- Bama game because LSU never had full control of the game like Bama did.
That's why they got a rematch.
But I didn't agree with it.
Just like in 2006, I didn't agree that Michigan should have gotten a rematch.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:09 pm to KosmoCramer
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I'm not in favor of auto qualifying for conference champions, but I think you would at least need to win your division to have a shot.
I agree with this, it would solve most of the problems with this system and would have solved all of the BCS's problems. Make a conference championship worth something!
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:11 pm to Mystery
quote:The entire universe, every other dimension, and Heaven itself were against that matchup for the NCG.
I guess you were against Bama going to that game too?
The only places that supported it was Alabama and Hell.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:12 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:State could have easily won that game
Because we already have the result of the two matching up. Alabama had game control all over Mississippi State.
I just hope that if this rematch happens it isn't SEC refs
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:13 pm to KosmoCramer
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I think you would at least need to win your division to have a shot.
I believe that Ohio State would finish 5-3 if they played in the SEC West.
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Because we already have the result of the two matching up. Alabama had game control all over Mississippi State.
Why would we need to see that again?
We'd watch that again because we don't want to see Virginia Tech pound Ohio State again. Losing by 5 in Tuscaloosa is not the same as losing at home by 14 points to Virginia Tech.
Nobody wants Ohio State in.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:13 pm to KosmoCramer
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Absolutely.
They shouldn't have been there.
But that game 9-6 game was different than the MSU- Bama game because LSU never had full control of the game like Bama did.
That's why they got a rematch.
But I didn't agree with it.
Just like in 2006, I didn't agree that Michigan should have gotten a rematch.
Bama was at home in both games. Who knows what the score would have been if it was in Tiger Stadium that year.
So you want to punish Mississippi State? Who has probably played the toughest schedule and lost one away game to a top ranked team?
The best teams should play. Alabama was right to play and so is Mississippi State.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:14 pm to KosmoCramer
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Do you think that a team that doesn't win it's division deserves a shot at a playoff?
Would be hilarious if MSU somehow squeaks in a knocks off SEC Champion Bama in the playoffs. You know all the Bamatards would start going off the handle on how they shouldn't have been there.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:14 pm to KosmoCramer
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I'm not in favor of auto qualifying for conference champions, but I think you would at least need to win your division to have a shot.
It really just comes down to whether more people want the "best" 4 teams based on performance. If they do then you have to include everyone.
I still think the "conference champions" plus will be a big one in the final decision and, perhaps rightly so, since to have 4 teams from across the country is preferable.
However, Miss St this year will still have a better "resume" than at least the 4th team in if they win out and don't make it.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:15 pm to mylsuhat
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State could have easily won that game
They never had the ball with the chance to take the lead. (aka in possession of a one possession game)
That's the definition of game control.
I wouldn't say they could have easily won the game.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:15 pm to wm72
This really is a sign of why a 4 team playoff is a terrible setup.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:16 pm to Choupique19
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Nobody wants Ohio State in.
Except everyone who has money and wants to make more.
Miss. St. doesn't turn TV sets on like Ohio State does. ESPN wants OSU/Bama/Oregon/FSU
OSU/Minnesota was the 3rd highest rated game last weekend and it was a noon kick
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:17 pm to Mystery
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Mississippi State? Who has probably played the toughest schedule
Not according to the computers.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:17 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Yep. The business aspect is something these individuals will take into account when picking the final 4, no matter what is said by the "committee".
Miss. St. doesn't turn TV sets on like Ohio State does. ESPN wants OSU/Bama/Oregon/FSU
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:18 pm to Choupique19
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Nobody wants Ohio State in.
If you looked at the posts in the recent threads you'd find out that a lot of people think they deserve the 4th spot. So I think you're wrong on that assertion.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:18 pm to KosmoCramer
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Do you think that a team that doesn't win it's division deserves a shot at a playoff?
In a 4 team playoff, no. I don't. Win your f'n conference. Which hurts me, because I want State to win the national title. But they had a shot, and they blew it. And I honestly don't believe the SEC is so far and away superior that it deserves two teams in a four team playoff.
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