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re: "Serial" Podcast Discussion Thread...SPOILERS
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:40 am to iluvdatiger
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:40 am to iluvdatiger
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Jay and Jenn are lying more than anyone else in this story but I can't understand why and who they are protecting. How does someone change their story that many times and get away with it?
What if Hae, who saw Adnan's car and thought it was him, caught Jay and Jenn (whom he called umpteen times on Stephanie's birthday) doing something that threatened them? So they reacted in the moment and attacked Hae. They then decided to frame Adnan, and as is usually the case, their stories got mixed-up a bit.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:43 am
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:48 am to buckeye_vol
That story seems way more plausible than the state's theory that Adnan was upset over the break up.
I've also see the theory that Hae knew of Jay and Jen hooking up behind Stephanie's back and she was going to tell Stephanie, so they killed her before she could. I'm not so sure it was pre-meditated to kill her, but perhaps they were just going to confront her and things spiraled out of control.
There are so many inconsistencies in everyone's story, but I guess that's to be expected with a bunch of high schoolers that smoked pot all the time. But it is damning that the state's key witness changed his story 3 times, and it's curious that there was 3 hours of police interviewing of Jay that wasn't recorded.
I've also see the theory that Hae knew of Jay and Jen hooking up behind Stephanie's back and she was going to tell Stephanie, so they killed her before she could. I'm not so sure it was pre-meditated to kill her, but perhaps they were just going to confront her and things spiraled out of control.
There are so many inconsistencies in everyone's story, but I guess that's to be expected with a bunch of high schoolers that smoked pot all the time. But it is damning that the state's key witness changed his story 3 times, and it's curious that there was 3 hours of police interviewing of Jay that wasn't recorded.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:40 am to The Spleen
Adnan says in the last episode, that he doesn't think they will ever find out who did it. What doesn't make sense is we never hear him blame Jay. Or say he thinks it's Jay.
Why doesn't he ever give his side of what he thinks happened. or who he thinks did it?
Why doesn't he ever give his side of what he thinks happened. or who he thinks did it?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:23 am to Mouth
I truly believe that he doesn't know for sure whether Jay did it or not and maybe doesn't want to do to Jay what has happened to him. The only side he can give is what he remembers in an otherwise normal school day for him. I also have no problem believing that the Nisha call could have been a butt dial. During that time, we all had those Nokias that would butt dial. Usually the first name saved in your phone or the last person you called would get a phantom call like once a day.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:26 am to buckeye_vol
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What if Hae, who saw Adnan's car and thought it was him, caught Jay and Jenn (whom he called umpteen times on Stephanie's birthday) doing something that threatened them? So they reacted in the moment and attacked Hae. They then decided to frame Adnan, and as is usually the case, their stories got mixed-up a bit
This is the story that I lean towards. Seems rather odd he had a cellphone all day and never called his girlfriend once yet a ton of calls to Jenn.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:30 am to iluvdatiger
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I also have no problem believing that the Nisha call could have been a butt dial. During that time, we all had those Nokias that would butt dial. Usually the first name saved in your phone or the last person you called would get a phantom call like once a day.
Now that it has been established that the butt dial is possible, couldn't they cross-check Nisha's bill? I'm assuming that if she didn't answer, nothing would have shown up. More importantly, if she did, wouldn't it show up?
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:32 am to buckeye_vol
It was Nisha's home landline, not a cell phone, so it wouldn't have shown up on a bill.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:34 am to iluvdatiger
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I truly believe that he doesn't know for sure whether Jay did it or not and maybe doesn't want to do to Jay what has happened to him
I don't buy this one bit. It was either him or Jay that had something to do with it. Or both of them like Jay says.
I can't remember.... but does Sarah even ask him if he thinks Jay did it? If she doesn't... why not?
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:55 am to buckeye_vol
It was Nisha's landline and she said she didn't talk to him until later and he was at the porn store with Jay and Jay said hey to her. BUT Jay didn't have that job until after the murder happened.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:59 am to buckeye_vol
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What if Hae, who saw Adnan's car and thought it was him, caught Jay and Jenn (whom he called umpteen times on Stephanie's birthday) doing something that threatened them? So they reacted in the moment and attacked Hae. They then decided to frame Adnan, and as is usually the case, their stories got mixed-up a bit.
In general, I was frustrated by the relative lack of exploration of the Stephanie angle. It seemed like it was widely agreed that she was a superstar and was the only "normal" think in Jay's life. I'd buy Jay doing something irrational in order to save that as a motive for the crime way more than just the breakup story they pinned on Adnan.
SK tried to make a big deal in 12 about how it's convenient that Adnan doesn't seem to remember much about the specific time when the burial would have been going on. She focused a lot less on how convenient it was for Jay and Jenn that pretty much the only consistently consistent story from them was this 3:40 call nonsense...which appears to utterly crumble when held up to any scrutiny. If I were Jenn, I'd already be in touch with a lawyer.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
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In general, I was frustrated by the relative lack of exploration of the Stephanie angle. It seemed like it was widely agreed that she was a superstar and was the only "normal" think in Jay's life. I'd buy Jay doing something irrational in order to save that as a motive for the crime way more than just the breakup story they pinned on Adna
My thoughts as well.
But my biggest red flag against Adnan is the fact that he never says anything about why he thinks Jay or anyone else killed Hae. He never defends himself by pointing the finger elsewhere.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:32 pm to Mouth
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But my biggest red flag against Adnan is the fact that he never says anything about why he thinks Jay or anyone else killed Hae. He never defends himself by pointing the finger elsewhere.
I'm not sure that's fair though. He may very well have a theory, but his lawyers and/or the producers may have decided that it's best to not let the defendant provide speculation at this point.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:39 pm to buckeye_vol
He said in that letter to Sarah on the next to last episode he wanted to avoid giving his own speculation and let the case speak for itself. A lawyer backed him up on that decision as it could taint any future testimony in the even the case is ever re-opened.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:45 pm to The Spleen
I would certainly be interested in who he thinks could have done it but maybe if Seriel had gone down that road it would lead to lawsuits
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:48 pm to iluvdatiger
Yeah that makes sense.
But I just can't tell myself he he didn't do this, unless I hear his side of the story.
I'm 51/49 that he killed her.
But I just can't tell myself he he didn't do this, unless I hear his side of the story.
I'm 51/49 that he killed her.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 1:10 pm to Mouth
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:30 pm to buckeye_vol
The Ultimate Serial Think Piece
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To be sure, Serial is racist. Actually, it isn’t racist. Actually, you’re racist.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:59 pm to The Spleen
Was just reading your link and found all this cell phone info LINK
That is the exact same phone me and friends had in 98-99-2000. Major buttdialing on that phone.
That is the exact same phone me and friends had in 98-99-2000. Major buttdialing on that phone.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:09 pm to iluvdatiger
Yep, everyone had that same phone. I remember my GF had it and buttdialed her mom while she was giving me road head on the way to the beach. Mid head, we keep hearing a "hello" until we figured out what it was. 
Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:39 pm to Mouth
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Why doesn't he ever give his side of what he thinks happened. or who he thinks did it?
I think it was because he can't if he has any hope of getting out, or that's how I interpreted it.
Given the information presented to me, I am convinced that there was more than enough reasonable doubt to convict him. Unfortunately it seems his attorney didn't push it hard enough and the jurors just mailed in a guilty verdict because it's Baltimore and all the people seem to live with murder every day.
If Adnan killed her in the parking lot, how did he get the body to the truck by himself without drawing attention? Then how did he call from the non-existent pay phone? How was he able to do that in such a short time window? And unfortunately his defense never got the girl to testify that he was at the library while all of this was supposed to be going on?
I don't buy the serial killer angle. Jay knew where the car was. That's enough to shut down that argument from me, though it is still worth testing on the outside chance it leads to something.
Looks like I get to marathon the series again this next week on a long trip. I'm hoping to pick up some more details I didn't pick up on before.
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