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Cull buck?

Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:23 pm to
cull or not iwsi
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:27 pm to
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cull or not iwsi


Indeed.
Posted by 007mag
Death Valley, Sec. 408
Member since Dec 2011
3873 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:38 pm to
prolly so
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25007 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:43 pm to
It looks pregnant
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
22171 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:06 pm to
Corn and beans..
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5761 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:10 pm to
Body size and face suggest he is full grown if that's the case needs to be taken out IMO.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15948 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:56 am to
I wouldn't shoot it
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:17 am to
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Body size and face suggest he is full grown if that's the case needs to be taken out IMO.

Posted by hardhead
stinky bayou
Member since Jun 2009
5745 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:21 am to
that buck is more than likely at his peak.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8968 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:33 am to
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Cull buck?


Not knowing where the picture is from or the genetic potential of the area here's my thoughts.

He's been eating well but he's not an old deer. IMHO, he's two years or younger. His rack doesn't show any of the mass or junk points you typically see in deer reaching that 4-5 year mark. He's certainly not as his peak as the rack will gain mass and character with age.

To that end.... Is he a cull? Only if you are confident that he's genetically inferior and the area consistently produces better. If he's typical of what you see in the area then taking him out of the gene pool accomplishes very little.

At which point the question really becomes, do I want to shoot him and that's a question only you can answer.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81654 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:45 am to
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His rack doesn't show any of the mass or junk points you typically see in deer reaching that 4-5 year mark.
And that's the double problem. He's a cull even if he's 3.5.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8968 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:01 am to
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And that's the double problem. He's a cull even if he's 3.5.


There's simply no way he's 3.5 unless the area is just really ultra poor genetically. IMHO, he'd be showing some mass if he were any older than 2.5.

My point being, if the area largely produces 6-8 point narrow racks then there's no real genetic boost by taking him out. If on the other hand wide racked 8 and 10's are common then the management decision is really pretty simple and this buck can be culled.

One must consider the potential of the area when implementing a management plan and deciding what to cull. What may be considered a cull in Texas may be as good as its gonna get in the Florida panhandle. The science and research is pretty clear that there's no arbitrary one-size fits all management standard.
Posted by fisherbm1112
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
6567 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:23 am to
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There's simply no way he's 3.5 unless the area is just really ultra poor genetically.



Look at the coloring and body mass that the deer has. I would shoot it. I don't believe there is any way that the deer is young and for him to have that much body mass with that little horns, he needs to be on a dinner plate.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10177 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:24 am to
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There's simply no way he's 3.5 unless the area is just really ultra poor genetically. IMHO, he'd be showing some mass if he were any older than 2.5.


Why can't hunters learn that you can't judge deer by their horns. You have to go by what their body tells you and not even look at the horns. That body says 3.5yrs old any where in the south. A 2.5yr old has a much slicker neck and body.

Yes it needs to be shot if you are culling for genetics.
Posted by MillerMan
West U, Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2010
6512 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:28 am to
Yes
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81654 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:29 am to
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There's simply no way he's 3.5 unless the area is just really ultra poor genetically. IMHO, he'd be showing some mass if he were any older than 2.5.
You're looking at the wrong thing.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8968 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:34 am to
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Why can't hunters learn that you can't judge deer by their horns


Because every authority on deer management associated with QDMA to academia says that antler characteristics are the most reliable means to age deer under most circumstances?

quote:

Look at the coloring and body mass that the deer has.


Neither can be used to age deer successfully unless the deer has spots. Color means nothing and body mass is a reflection on diet not age.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 10:40 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81654 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:38 am to
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Because every authority on deer management associated with QDMA to academia says that antler characteristics are the most reliable means to age deer under most circumstances?

That's simply false.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37762 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:49 am to
Don't know the cull situation where you hunt but he wouldnt qualify at my club. They have a wierd take on what qualifies a cull. That said, he is 3.5 plus without a doubt. Using horns instead of body size and other physical features is not the way to age deer on the hoof.
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