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Noel and Davis on front line minus Holiday at PG
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:18 pm
Team is instantly better
Could have picked up a free agent PG in offseason
Playoff team
Could have picked up a free agent PG in offseason
Playoff team
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:19 pm to nicholastiger
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:20 pm to nicholastiger
That lineup would get pushed around.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:24 pm to nicholastiger
No not really
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:28 pm to nicholastiger
We wouldn't have picked Noel.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:29 pm to nicholastiger
Noel was outstanding last night and has been great all year. I know that Pels fans like to stick up for the moves that Dell has made but IMO there won't be many if any Pels fans who will be saying that trading that pick was the right move 3-4 years down the road.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:30 pm to nicholastiger
not only would we not have taken noel if we were keeping our pick but that frontcourt would get manhandled versus teams with size
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:30 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:we weren't going to take noel. it is almost a certainty we were going pg with that pick if we would've kept it. noel was for the 76ers
Noel was outstanding last night and has been great all year. I know that Pels fans like to stick up for the moves that Dell has made but IMO there won't be many if any Pels fans who will be saying that trading that pick was the right move 3-4 years down the road.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:31 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Why does this matter at all? Noel was available and could've been had. If the GM blew it he blew it the " we wouldn't have picked him" excuse weak as hell especially considering you don't know who they would've picked!!
We wouldn't have picked Noel.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:32 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:Ok, even bigger fail then that the GM would've taken Trey Burke. Either way its a failure by the front office no?
weren't going to take noel. it is almost a certainty we were going pg with that pick if we would've kept it. noel was for the 76ers
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:34 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:it matters because it's all hindsight. we weren't going to pick noel if we would've kept that pick. so to say pels fans won't admit that the trade was bad if noel shines is intellectually dishonest because if the trade wouldn't have happen it was going to be a pg.
Why does this matter at all? Noel was available and could've been had. If the GM blew it he blew it the " we wouldn't have picked him" excuse weak as hell especially considering you don't know who they would've picked!!
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:that argument is much more relevant to the situation.
Ok, even bigger fail then that the GM would've taken Trey Burke. Either way its a failure by the front office no?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:35 pm to Fearthehat0307
Don't bother.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:39 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:Says who? You don't know that, neither does bunchy. It's convenient for you to say this so that your front office doesn't look incompetent but in fact it makes them look just as bad.
we weren't going to pick noel
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:41 pm to Fun Bunch
I remember saying at the time that Demps was under pressure to try and "win now". With Davis, you have an elite player so it's not like he has killed the franchise, but I think you can question the way he's tried to build around him. Go after big names regardless of the fit.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:53 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:the fact that it makes them look worse doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to take up for Dell by saying that.
It's convenient for you to say this so that your front office doesn't look incompetent but in fact it makes them look just as bad.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:56 pm to PortCityTiger24
Well think of it this way. Memphis has the best front court in all of basketball, they pretty much manhandled a large center Asik and AD.
Does anyone honestly think Noel/AD would have fared better? Noel has no offensive game at all and if he played, AD would be forced to play center against Gasol. That is not something that is going to work very well or at least not without AD needing a 24hour ice bath.
The trade is fine, you get yourself a quasi-all star/ a slightly above average PG for a pair of 1st rounders.
The biggest blunder that is holding this team back is the large contract EG holds, remove that and we could have a SF worth a damn: Ariza, Parsons, or Batum.
Does anyone honestly think Noel/AD would have fared better? Noel has no offensive game at all and if he played, AD would be forced to play center against Gasol. That is not something that is going to work very well or at least not without AD needing a 24hour ice bath.
The trade is fine, you get yourself a quasi-all star/ a slightly above average PG for a pair of 1st rounders.
The biggest blunder that is holding this team back is the large contract EG holds, remove that and we could have a SF worth a damn: Ariza, Parsons, or Batum.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:59 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
I remember saying at the time that Demps was under pressure to try and "win now". With Davis, you have an elite player so it's not like he has killed the franchise, but I think you can question the way he's tried to build around him. Go after big names regardless of the fit.
I honestly think the Holiday trade was too pricey. I think it's fair to question the price of getting Holiday, not the development of the draft picks of players who were picked at those spots or after. Anybody can play the "your GM isn't Sam Presti" game with draft picks. I'm sure in a truly transparent world, Dell would admit to buyer's remorse on Holiday after basically landing Tyreke for peanuts later. In a vacuum, the Holiday move is still in my opinion Dell's biggest misstep outside of He-Who-Has-No-Knees-Heart's extension. Though oddly enough, I actually understand that move more. In reality, Holiday was a big step towards luring Tyreke here, and even with the ascension of Davis, NOLA isn't a sexy landing spot currently.
It is honestly hard for most of us to objectively judge Demps as Monty Williams is a complete nincompoop. He's done a very decent job at acquiring talents and the Evans/Holiday deals are looking like bargains comparing them to Rubio/Burks and other small market teams.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 5:04 pm to ShamelessPel
It goes in a chain reaction type of deal, one wouldn't happen without the other imo.
It sucks, it started off horribly with the EG signing and just became a roller coaster. I don't like Noel on this team personally, he just doesn't fit. Asik works better, but the clusterfrick of coaching and trying to fit pieces are just flat out bad.
It sucks, it started off horribly with the EG signing and just became a roller coaster. I don't like Noel on this team personally, he just doesn't fit. Asik works better, but the clusterfrick of coaching and trying to fit pieces are just flat out bad.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 5:07 pm to nicholastiger
You're right. All the Pelicans need is more PF's.
Davis, Anderson, Noel. They should get 2 more and just have a starting 5 of nothing but PF's.
Davis, Anderson, Noel. They should get 2 more and just have a starting 5 of nothing but PF's.
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