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re: The Dwight Effect is BS
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:04 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:04 pm to TheSexecutioner
And Scrowe, I think you read the study a bit wrong. 
Point still stands, but I think the numbers show the opposing teams FG% when Dwight(or whoever the player) on shots when Dwight is within 5 feet of the basket.
So if any player on the court takes a shot when Dwight is near the rim. Not when Dwight is near the player. It shows how team defense is when Dwight is protecting the rim.
Point still stands, but I think the numbers show the opposing teams FG% when Dwight(or whoever the player) on shots when Dwight is within 5 feet of the basket. So if any player on the court takes a shot when Dwight is near the rim. Not when Dwight is near the player. It shows how team defense is when Dwight is protecting the rim.
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:05 pm to Boomshockalocka
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If you want a stat boy, Davis is your guy. If you want a guy who can lead a team into the playoffs and further, Davis has shown no ability to lead a winning team at the NBA level. D12, on the other hand, has proven time and time again that he can lead a team deeeep into the NBA playoffs.
Dwight's 1st 3 seasons - not even .500.
Davis has more than enough time.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:05 pm to TheSexecutioner
Wasn't the whole idea with the Dwight Effect that he deters players from taking it inside more than any other player in the NBA?
Which would then force more mid-range shots. Which are statistically the worst shots in the league.
So the point of the article was to say that Dwight affects the opponent's FG% without even having to actively do anything on his own. Just his presence on the court will lower an opponent's chances of scoring without him even having to do anything.
So even if he isn't the absolute best defender at the rim (which I don't have any numbers to say whether he is or isn't), the overall impact he has on the defense due to this "Dwight Effect" may be enough to make him the most effective defensive center, even if he may not be #1 at blocking shots, altering shots, or opponent's FG% at the rim (even though he's great at all of those things).
Which would then force more mid-range shots. Which are statistically the worst shots in the league.
So the point of the article was to say that Dwight affects the opponent's FG% without even having to actively do anything on his own. Just his presence on the court will lower an opponent's chances of scoring without him even having to do anything.
So even if he isn't the absolute best defender at the rim (which I don't have any numbers to say whether he is or isn't), the overall impact he has on the defense due to this "Dwight Effect" may be enough to make him the most effective defensive center, even if he may not be #1 at blocking shots, altering shots, or opponent's FG% at the rim (even though he's great at all of those things).
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
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If you want a guy who can lead a team into the playoffs and further, Davis has shown no ability to lead a winning team at the NBA level. D12, on the other hand, has proven time and time again that he can lead a team deeeep into the NBA playoffs.
In a shite east, D12s first 3 years the Magic were a combined 112-134... they took a huge leap in year 4
Want to give AD 3 seasons before we start this converstation? Or would you rather continue comparing apples and elephant shite?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:07 pm to Boomshockalocka
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he was better than that in the playoffs last year.
A sample size of 6 games in a lost series versus a sample size of 82 games. Gotcha.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:07 pm to htran90
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Dwight's 1st 3 seasons - not even .500.
Yup
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:09 pm to MrPappagiorgio
quote:Okay, but only if AD is the elephant shite.
Or would you rather continue comparing apples and elephant shite?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:12 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:+1
Okay, but only if AD is the elephant shite.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:13 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:hey bunchy 6 games > the 1 game sample size that many are using here to declare the Pelicans a playoff team.
A sample size of 6 games in a lost series versus a sample size of 82 games. Gotcha.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
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If you want a stat boy, Davis is your guy. If you want a guy who can lead a team into the playoffs and further, Davis has shown no ability to lead a winning team at the NBA level.
Howard didn't do it until his 3rd year in, this is AD's 3rd year.
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D12, on the other hand, has proven time and time again that he can lead a team deeeep into the NBA playoffs.
1 finals appearance and 1 conference finals appearance in 10 years along with 1 2nd round exit. The other playoff appearances were 1st round exits. So, unless by "time and time again" you mean 2 deep runs then I'll agree with you, but most people don't use "time and time again" to signify a quantity of 2.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:14 pm to PrimeTime Money
PTM - The Dwight Effect is real, he does deter shots within 5 ft and forces players to take jump shots.
The downfall to the argument Boom does when he uses that as a defense to why LMA went off on houston last year. The Dwight Effect didn't alter LMA's play because majority of his shots are from outside to begin with.
The downfall to the argument Boom does when he uses that as a defense to why LMA went off on houston last year. The Dwight Effect didn't alter LMA's play because majority of his shots are from outside to begin with.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:14 pm to Scrowe
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I just threw the numbers from the study in a spreadsheet really quick so I had all of them but just posted to Dwight's rank in the list except in 3p points per shot defended since he was 46th in that category and the list would have been huge
Yeh, I did the same thing with the spreadsheet but didn't feel like entering all the players in.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:15 pm to Scrowe
quote:Makes perfect sense. Time and time again.
1 finals appearance and 1 conference finals appearance
He went deep one time. And then he went deep one time again.
Time and time again. See, he was telling the truth.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:16 pm to PrimeTime Money
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So even if he isn't the absolute best defender at the rim (which I don't have any numbers to say whether he is or isn't), the overall impact he has on the defense due to this "Dwight Effect" may be enough to make him the most effective defensive center, even if he may not be #1 at blocking shots, altering shots, or opponent's FG% at the rim (even though he's great at all of those things).
Yes, but theres no point saying "mid-range shots are probably better for the team" when you have the data of what % was allowed at midrange. The "Dwight Effect" was not enough to make him the most effective defensive center. Not even remotely close. Did you not read the OP?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:17 pm to htran90
quote:incorrect, link the post where i said that and I'll paypal you $100. if you can't link it ban yourself for the rest of the day.
The downfall to the argument Boom does when he uses that as a defense to why LMA went off on houston last year
I said Dwight effect doesn't matter when Aldridge is draining midrange shots. Obviously Dwight effect is forcing teams to take midrange shots instead of shots at the rim. When the midrange shots are going in, Dwight effect is negated.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:18 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:I skimmed it, and it's been a long time since I read the paper on the "Dwight Effect".
Yes, but theres no point saying "mid-range shots are probably better for the team" when you have the data of what % was allowed at midrange. The "Dwight Effect" was not enough to make him the most effective defensive center. Not even remotely close. Did you not read the OP?
So I can't say whether or not you are wrong or right at this moment.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:19 pm to Boomshockalocka
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hey bunchy 6 games > the 1 game sample size that many are using here to declare the Pelicans a playoff team.
false dichotomy and nothing to do with the argument at hand. as usual.
How about comparing full seasons last year?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:20 pm to TheSexecutioner
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So if any player on the court takes a shot when Dwight is near the rim. Not when Dwight is near the player. It shows how team defense is when Dwight is protecting the rim.
Don't think that's how it works, this is from the study:
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B) Proximal FG%: the relative efficiencies of shooters in the proximity of the defender. Overall, when there is a qualifying interior defender within 5 feet of a shot attempt, the NBA shoots 45.6% from the field; however this value varies considerably depending on which defender that is.The most effective proximate defender in our study was Larry Sanders; opponents shot only 34.9% when he was within 5 feet of their shot.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
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PrimeTime Money
What do you like more: Dwight or Fox Sports 1?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:21 pm to Broski
I like both.
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