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Has any one player dominated a position in football as much as Manning has...
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:06 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:06 am
...as a Bronco in the last 2 1/2 seasons?
He has a 112 QB rating as a Bronco, not including today's game against the Chargers.
Another bit of trivia: Since ESPN started its "QBR" rating system in 2006, he has lead the league in QBR 6 out of the 8 seasons he has played in.
He has a 112 QB rating as a Bronco, not including today's game against the Chargers.
Another bit of trivia: Since ESPN started its "QBR" rating system in 2006, he has lead the league in QBR 6 out of the 8 seasons he has played in.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:08 am to hikingfan
Probably not.
Reggie White had a few great years in his prime but he didn't have the impact of a QB.
I'm sure some old timers would remember Jim Brown's dominance.
Reggie White had a few great years in his prime but he didn't have the impact of a QB.
I'm sure some old timers would remember Jim Brown's dominance.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:16 am to hikingfan
First, in b4 someone brings up a team accomplishment as being the sole measuring stick for an individual player.
Second, as much as I love Peyton and consider him to be the greatest football player of all time, in terms of dominating a single position, no one can touch Jerry Rice. Look at where he stands compared to the next best receiver. He has roughly 7,000 yards more than the 2nd best receiver, about 40 more touchdowns, and about 400 more catches. And this was all accomplished well before the current pass happy rules/league.
Second, as much as I love Peyton and consider him to be the greatest football player of all time, in terms of dominating a single position, no one can touch Jerry Rice. Look at where he stands compared to the next best receiver. He has roughly 7,000 yards more than the 2nd best receiver, about 40 more touchdowns, and about 400 more catches. And this was all accomplished well before the current pass happy rules/league.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:38 am to LeonPhelps
I'm going with Jerry Rice as well. What he did was impressive.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:58 am to graychef
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Reggie White had a few great years in his prime
I'd put a vote in for Lawrence Taylor too. He had a hand in changing the way the game was played.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 1:52 am to hikingfan
Who knows?
Can't compare eras because the game has become bastardized now...only 12 year olds don't get how much easier the QB position has become.
So QB rating is comparing eras is nonsense. Would you compare a college QB vs. an intramural flag football Uni QB?
He can only be compared against his current peers.
Would have been interesting to see how he panned out in his father's day or even the 80's.
He still has one SB ring...for all that "regular season" domination. So I'd say others have dominated more...considering winning is the thing...and you can't disappear in the playoffs or SB like on schedule.
Can't compare eras because the game has become bastardized now...only 12 year olds don't get how much easier the QB position has become.
So QB rating is comparing eras is nonsense. Would you compare a college QB vs. an intramural flag football Uni QB?
He can only be compared against his current peers.
Would have been interesting to see how he panned out in his father's day or even the 80's.
He still has one SB ring...for all that "regular season" domination. So I'd say others have dominated more...considering winning is the thing...and you can't disappear in the playoffs or SB like on schedule.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 1:58 am to hikingfan
There's not many QBs that will ever be as cerebral as him on the field. That is going to be sorely missed when he retires.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 2:12 am to hikingfan
Jerry Rice. Keep in mind he set all his records (that still stand today) before the recent rule changes that favor the passing game.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 3:16 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 2:18 am to hikingfan
I don't really like Manning, but man, he captures my interest at the LOS. The way he figures out every blitzer and then calls them out, then adjusts the play to negate the defense is just... fascinating. It's so... Effortless.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 2:21 am to forksup
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I don't really like Manning, but man, he captures my interest at the LOS. The way he figures out every blitzer and then calls them out, then adjusts the play to negate the defense is just... fascinating. It's so... Effortless.
perfectly put
Posted on 10/24/14 at 3:25 am to TigerinKorea
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Jerry Rice. Keep in mind he set all his records (that still stand today) before the recent rule changes that favor the passing game.
This.
He did it in a more physical era before all of these rules vs players like Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, and Darrell Green.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 6:17 am to hikingfan
How unreal would an offense be that had Peyton as the QB and Rice as his main target, both in their primes?
Posted on 10/24/14 at 6:54 am to C
Otto Graham says hi.
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Graham is regarded by critics as one of the most dominant players of his era, having taken the Browns to league championship games every year between 1946 and 1955, winning seven of them. With Graham at quarterback, the Browns posted a record of 114 wins, 20 losses and four ties, including a 9–3 win–loss record in the playoffs. While most of Graham's statistical records have been surpassed in the modern era, he still holds the NFL record for career average yards gained per pass attempt, with nine. He also holds the record for the highest career winning percentage for an NFL starting quarterback, at 0.814. Long-time New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, a friend of Graham's, once called him "as great of a quarterback as there ever was."
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 6:57 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 6:54 am to hikingfan
Yes.
Rice.
LT.
Jim Brown.
Butkus.
Montana. Montana scared a D more than Peyton did.
John Mackey.
Oh yes, and Marino. The difference is Mannings GMS went out and got him RBS like James and Addai. Marino never had that support.
Rice.
LT.
Jim Brown.
Butkus.
Montana. Montana scared a D more than Peyton did.
John Mackey.
Oh yes, and Marino. The difference is Mannings GMS went out and got him RBS like James and Addai. Marino never had that support.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 6:58 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 7:00 am to forksup
quote:Everyone has their own way of doing things. I don't mean to be a stickler here, but it seems like Manning's way is the opposite of effortless, he's putting in lots of work pre-snap, doing all kinds of stuff.
I don't really like Manning, but man, he captures my interest at the LOS. The way he figures out every blitzer and then calls them out, then adjusts the play to negate the defense is just... fascinating. It's so... Effortless.
I'd say Aaron Rodgers, while less interesting and captivating at the line, makes it more effortless looking.
Rodgers doesn't have the longevity obviously, but IMO no one has ever played the game at a higher level for a sustained period like Rodgers. I'd put his TD%, INT%, and YPA up against any QB, and without looking, I'm guessing he's better in all 3 categories compared to the other 3-5 guys in the GOAT conversation. They're not the end all/be all, but I do think they're possibly the 3 most important categories, definitely up there.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 7:03 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 7:04 am to TigerinKorea
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Jerry Rice. Keep in mind he set all his records (that still stand today) before the recent rule changes that favor the passing game.
Eh, the favorable passing game has also caused a dilution of the #1 receiver opportunities. There are many 4 or 5 receiver sets whereas before, a primary option could be 1 of 2 receiving threats on the field. Remember tight ends were more blockers than Graham/Gates-esque freaks.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 7:29 am to TigerinKorea
When you talk about "eras", Peyton and Jerry played 6 seasons together. No "together", but at the same time.
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