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re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:58 am to lsu480
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:58 am to lsu480
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I was under the impression that a lot of insurance plans do cover rehab?
Some do, but it depends on your coverage I believe.
Also, am I the only one who finds it a little funny that Chad refuses to type out the word insurance?
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:42 pm to porkrind
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Did you make the decision to use short term yourself or did a doctor direct you? I've yet to come across a doctor that offered short term treatment
I bought a few off the street and took a low dose until I ran out. Once I was out that was it. Then my alcoholism took off!
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:44 pm to CocomoLSU
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Also, am I the only one who finds it a little funny that Chad refuses to type out the word insurance?
brah i did type that word out.....
then my fingers got tired.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:45 pm to whit
Long term use of methadone or suboxone is a huge scam imo. I do understand it may be better than shooting heroin but it is not a way to quit
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:56 pm to lsu480
Most common PPO plans offer something like this:
Inpatient Hospitalization
In Network: Ded then 80% (7 days/cal year)
Out of Network: $100 Co-pay, Ded then 60% (7 days/cal year)
Inpatient Detoxification Services
In-Network: Ded then 80% (7 days/cal year)
Out of Network: $100 Co-Pay, Ded then 60% (7 days/cal year)
Outpatient Services
In-Network: Ded then 80% (20 days/cal year)
Out of Network: Ded then 50% (20 days/cal year)
Outpatient Detoxification Services
Innetwork: Ded then 80% (20 days/cal year)
Out of network: Ded then 50% (20 days/cal year)
Inpatient Hospitalization
In Network: Ded then 80% (7 days/cal year)
Out of Network: $100 Co-pay, Ded then 60% (7 days/cal year)
Inpatient Detoxification Services
In-Network: Ded then 80% (7 days/cal year)
Out of Network: $100 Co-Pay, Ded then 60% (7 days/cal year)
Outpatient Services
In-Network: Ded then 80% (20 days/cal year)
Out of Network: Ded then 50% (20 days/cal year)
Outpatient Detoxification Services
Innetwork: Ded then 80% (20 days/cal year)
Out of network: Ded then 50% (20 days/cal year)
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:29 pm to lsu480
quote:
was under the impression that a lot of insurance plans do cover rehab?
They covered the outpatient treatment I went through several years ago.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:36 pm to MBclass83
In-patient or out-patient? The TAU Center for out-patient, Edgefield in Cheyneyville for in-patient. However, neither place will do him any good unless HE wants to get better. Good luck, my friend. You've got a tough row to hoe.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:58 pm to lsu480
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I disagree with that. Someone can take 1mg of sub a day, be totally normal and never take opiates/opiods again
Don't go the suboxone route. I went into a program 7 years ago and they put me on subs. I started off taking 16 mg a day and they were supposed to wean me off over the course of 6 months. I'm still on it today (7 years later, down to .5 mg daily). I'm basically a high functioning zombie. It affects your sex drive, I'm at the same place emotionally everyday. I am lukewarm about everything. Nothing gets me upset or excited. It affects my otherwise healthy marriage.
My inability to express my emotions and feelings to my wife is very frustrating for her. I'm just numb all the time. I'm just not as sharp as I should be. Also, now that I"m on such a low dose, I'm in a constant state of mild withdraw. I'm never comfortable.
Do it the old fashioned way and let him detox in a room with medical supervision. It's gonna suck but it will be so much better in the long run. I wish I could go back and do it myself but I was so scared of withdrawal at the time, I was still thinking like an addict and I wasn't ready to part with substances. Don't let the addict make the decision.
At the end of the day suboxone saved my life but it's still not a quality life. It's a nice band aid but it's not a long term solution. If you do decide to do it, make sure it's with a Dr that will wean him off properly. My Dr just collects my money every month and I'm the one that has to dictate how to wean down.
Also, you absolutely get a high from it and the withdrawals are still a bitch even at the low dose I'm on. There is a lot of misinformation out there about it. I was told it was a miracle drug. No such thing exists.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:02 pm to illuminatic
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I wish I could go back and do it myself but I was so scared of withdrawal at the time, I was still thinking like an addict and I wasn't ready to part with substances. Don't let the addict make the decision.
Nothing is stopping you from making the decision to quit taking suboxone. And you can definitely cut yourself off cold turkey; the withdrawal does not need to be medically supervised. It's uncomfortable, but it won't hurt you. If you regret taking it and know that you won't turn elsewhere, I'd advise that you do quit. It's definitely useful to wean and quit, but the person taking it has to be willing to quit. Forgive my question for being so direct, but some small part of being on it 7 years later is your choice as opposed to your physician's, is it not? Have you ever said "doc, I'm ready to come off it, because I'm tired of living with it"?
The entire intent behind using it is harm reduction on the path to the user involved's eventual (and hopeful) realization that the world is better not high. Nothing about it makes the user want it less. It's just a safer way for the user to use until he decides he no longer wants to use.
Unfortunately, when given without any form of psychological therapy, most users just have a new way of using that they're happy with and never change. It saves a lot of crime, hospital admissions, and communicable disease (in IV users who cease shooting up for suboxone instead) though. In other words, they have a new drug dealer that won't get them arrested. I would advise anyone who takes it to seek some form of psychotherapy, as, one more time, it takes not wanting to use to no longer be a user- a feeling that usually isnt had when one continues to use. And without wanting to feel that, you never will. But if you do, there are resources all over to help you on your way. A pill (or oral dissolvable tablet, rather) isn't ever going to fix or change that.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:07 pm to illuminatic
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I went into a program 7 years ago and they put me on subs. I started off taking 16 mg a day and they were supposed to wean me off over the course of 6 months. I'm still on it today (7 years later, down to .5 mg daily).
WTF? this is a joke right?
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:15 pm to LSUvegasbombed
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WTF? this is a joke right?
I have seen it. Never underestimate the power of the dollar.
On a related note, rehabs are one of the fastest growing industries in America...despite their abysmal success rates. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:24 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Forgive my question for being so direct, but some small part of being on it 7 years later is your choice as opposed to your physician's, is it not? Have you ever said "doc, I'm ready to come off it, because I'm tired of living with it"?
Honestly, I'm terrified of getting off of it. I'm scared of slipping back. It's been 12 years since I've lived without being dependent on something and this is the lesser of the 2 evils. This thread is about OP's son though. I was just giving some personal insight about how suboxone hasn't been the best solution for me.
quote:
WTF? this is a joke right?
It's more common than it should be.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:34 pm to illuminatic
Your post is helpful. Don't let them ruin it for you. Kuddos man.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:54 pm to Broke
Never-ending need...the life of an addict. Sad.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:58 pm to illuminatic
I think the way you are doing it is wise FWIW
Posted on 10/22/14 at 5:01 pm to lsu480
How so?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 5:03 pm to illuminatic
The part about staying on since you are scared about slipping up. If you really feel that way and think you will you should stay on the .5 a day. That's WAY better than the alternative!
Posted on 10/22/14 at 5:08 pm to iluvdatiger
For a heroin user, 7 days in not near enough. It takes a good while just to get all the toxins out of your body.
Studies cited by counselor says it takes min. of 28 days to "establish" a habit, a new, good habit.
Studies cited by counselor says it takes min. of 28 days to "establish" a habit, a new, good habit.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:27 pm to illuminatic
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This thread is about OP's son though. I was just giving some personal insight about how suboxone hasn't been the best solution for me.
Absolutely. I don't mean to take anything away from your experience or advice, but this line from your first post:
quote:
My Dr just collects my money every month and I'm the one that has to dictate how to wean down.
Makes it sound much more negative than positive. This is not meant to be a questioning of you, but more of using your experience as a hypothetical. It's meant to be general and is not me actually asking for a response (though one is welcome).
The fear of slipping and starting back is still there this long out, just imagine how life would've played out had you fallen back on street stuff as opposed to getting it in a controlled environment. Would your wife have stuck around through jail time? Would you pick up a needle? Would you still be using this far out? If you were, why would you be losing any less or feeling any different?
Again, not directed directly at you, but used as an example for anyone to read, putting themselves of the user who is faced with the decision quit cold turkey, continue using, or suboxone/methadone.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:32 pm to Hopeful Doc
From reading hundreds of your posts, and several on addiction and treatment, I think you might should slow down. You are not a doctor right? And your experience is very limited?
Because I can assure you that there are countless doctors with less scruples than you that are feeding addicts.
Because I can assure you that there are countless doctors with less scruples than you that are feeding addicts.
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