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America's Infrastructure Report Card: G.P.A. = D+
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:23 am
Grades are as follows:
Aviation = D
Bridges = C+
Drinking Water = D
Energy = D
Hazardous Waste = D
Inland Waterways = D-
Levees = D-
Ports = C
Parks and Rec = C-
Rail = C+
Roads = D
Schools = D
Solid Waste = B-
Transit = D
Wastewater = D
From the ASCE. 2013 Infrastructure Report Card
Main consensus for the decline seems to be that there are a lack of funds to fix our infrastructure that was designed over fifty years ago and is beginning to reach the end of its design life.
The majority of the roads and bridges in our country were never designed for the bigger vehicles and congestion that we have today, and they are deteriorating at a faster pace because of it.
We need a massive overhaul of our entire system.
What are your suggestions?
Mine:
By pulling the troops out of a warzone and cutting military costs, along with other costs, we could begin a nationwide program that would employ thousands, if not millions. We could also use the troops to help rebuild the infrastructure much like the Romans used to do with their military during peacetime to keep them busy.
Hell, the Panamanians are rebuilding the canal to fit super tankers, why can't we do the same for bigger trucks on our roads?
Aviation = D
Bridges = C+
Drinking Water = D
Energy = D
Hazardous Waste = D
Inland Waterways = D-
Levees = D-
Ports = C
Parks and Rec = C-
Rail = C+
Roads = D
Schools = D
Solid Waste = B-
Transit = D
Wastewater = D
From the ASCE. 2013 Infrastructure Report Card
Main consensus for the decline seems to be that there are a lack of funds to fix our infrastructure that was designed over fifty years ago and is beginning to reach the end of its design life.
The majority of the roads and bridges in our country were never designed for the bigger vehicles and congestion that we have today, and they are deteriorating at a faster pace because of it.
We need a massive overhaul of our entire system.
What are your suggestions?
Mine:
By pulling the troops out of a warzone and cutting military costs, along with other costs, we could begin a nationwide program that would employ thousands, if not millions. We could also use the troops to help rebuild the infrastructure much like the Romans used to do with their military during peacetime to keep them busy.
Hell, the Panamanians are rebuilding the canal to fit super tankers, why can't we do the same for bigger trucks on our roads?
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:26 am to magildachunks
Guess none of these were shovel ready in 2009?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:27 am to magildachunks
Obama's stimulus will take care of this.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:28 am to magildachunks
Big government is expensive... which makes it hard to get funding for things we actually need.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:30 am to magildachunks
This is simply propaganda to try and get Americans on board with more taxes and wealth redistribution flowing to the government.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:31 am to PrimeTime Money
Our government is a massive failure now. When's the last time they did something you were happy about?
If all of these jobs these asshats have were in the private sector they'd have been fired years ago.
If all of these jobs these asshats have were in the private sector they'd have been fired years ago.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:33 am to magildachunks
quote:
consensus for the decline seems to be that there are a lack of funds to fix our infrastructure that was designed over fifty years ago and is beginning to reach the end of its design life.
What else would you expect a group representing engineering/construction workers, lobbying for more federal spending to support their industry, to say?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:37 am to 90proofprofessional
quote:
What else would you expect a group representing engineering/construction workers, lobbying for more federal spending to support their industry, to say?
Most of the people who did the studies for the ASCE are not employees or employers who would receive the money of the projects.
They received their money when hired to consult and study the infrastructure.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:38 am to magildachunks
Wait, so the American Society of Civil Engineers says we need to spend a shite load of money on civil engineering. Go figure.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:39 am to 90proofprofessional
quote:
What else would you expect a group representing engineering/construction workers, lobbying for more federal spending to support their industry, to say?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:40 am to magildachunks
A big part of the problem is how expensive going about fixing it is. That's relative to the rest of the world too, what we get per dollar spent is less than the rest of the world.
Infrastructure needs updating and will deliver economic benefits. Unfortunately it's a wasteful proposition.
Infrastructure needs updating and will deliver economic benefits. Unfortunately it's a wasteful proposition.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:43 am to magildachunks
quote:
Most of the people who did the studies for the ASCE are not employees or employers who would receive the money of the projects.
They received their money when hired to consult and study the infrastructure.
So? It's clearly an advocacy piece.
And to the great harm of its own credibility, it's one that implies "crisis" since "D(eta)+" is dangerously close to "fail."
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:44 am to Duke
quote:
A big part of the problem is how expensive going about fixing it is. That's relative to the rest of the world too, what we get per dollar spent is less than the rest of the world.
Infrastructure needs updating and will deliver economic benefits. Unfortunately it's a wasteful proposition.
Agree... anything our governments do, especially when it comes to infrastructure, is so wasteful and inefficient. Too many bureaucrats, too many useless workers who do nothing, and then the union ties make it too expensive, paying workers to stand around and do nothing because their union contract mandates it
I am not opposed to government spending on infrastructure, I am opposed to the way it is run. Clean it up, make it efficient, and I am OK with it, unfortunately that is asking too much from our government.
Also people need to get rid of this notion that only government can build or fix roads, and other infrastructure projects. That is a statist way of thinking.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:52 am to magildachunks
quote:
ASCE
These reports (to my jaded mind) are always just a lobbying tool for more money to be spent on civil engineering projects. I never take them any more seriously than a drug study funded by a drug company.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:57 am to goldennugget
quote:It's also a realistic way of thinking. Do you really believe that private industries would spring up and pay for roads out of the goodness of their hearts?
Also people need to get rid of this notion that only government can build or fix roads, and other infrastructure projects. That is a statist way of thinking.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:58 am to the808bass
quote:
These reports (to my jaded mind) are always just a lobbying tool for more money to be spent on civil engineering projects. I never take them any more seriously than a drug study funded by a drug company.
You'd rather an entity that is not comprised of Civil Engineers to study the civil engineering of the country?
We should get some pipefitters to do a study.
quote:
Also people need to get rid of this notion that only government can build or fix roads, and other infrastructure projects. That is a statist way of thinking.
Agreed. However, sometimes the state can do it faster and cheaper than a private firm. Also, the state would be dealing with less Unions, as many Union workers do not work for states. They make more money with private contracting firms.
State bridge and road workers for Louisiana make about 9-10 dollars an hour. You know any Union workers will work for that?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:58 am to magildachunks
quote:I'm sure they are completely unbiased in this assessment...
From the ASCE.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:00 am to magildachunks
quote:
Most of the people who did the studies for the ASCE are not employees or employers who would receive the money of the projects.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:00 am to mmcgrath
quote:
It's also a realistic way of thinking. Do you really believe that private industries would spring up and pay for roads out of the goodness of their hearts?
True.
The state doesn't have to build it, but it will have to pay for it.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:02 am to magildachunks
Here's a good question.
How the F do we spend trillions every year, but not have enough to repair and rebuild infrastructure?
If THAT doesn't tell you how F'ed up our governance is, I don't know what will.
Bang up job on that stimulus bill. How much is that one running us? $900 billion?
How the F do we spend trillions every year, but not have enough to repair and rebuild infrastructure?
If THAT doesn't tell you how F'ed up our governance is, I don't know what will.
Bang up job on that stimulus bill. How much is that one running us? $900 billion?
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