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re: OFFICIAL Liverpool FC 2014-2015 Season Long Thread
Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Holy shite. Didn't expect to see quite as much doom and gloom even though I wasn't happy at all with the way we looked. I mean if Klopp wanted to come here, I'd gladly take him but I'm not willing to abandon ship with Rodgers yet. Don't forget Klopp was battling in the relegation zone for 3/4 of the year. Yes he had a lot of injuries, and I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I'm just saying even great managers struggle.
I think Gerrard leaving will be such a good thing for this squad and the future. Rodgers has done better than I expected in not forcing him into every game, but you can still tell he feels like he owes him something which has handcuffed him and totally changed how effective we could be.
That, in this year just needs to be over with. There was a cloud over his head all year. Sturridge's poor health (though that's not unusual), Sterling's contract issues, everyone trying to prove their worth post Suarez, Rodgers trying to be so innovative and the tactical genius with the different formations has made him even more rigid and stubborn than usual playing guys all out of position.
Biggest worry I have is just the transfers and buying. Because I think we're still not far off of consistent top 4 finishes, and just a few smart buys would go a long way for us IMO. But yea, still not so sure about if that'll happen.
ETA - yea there was some tangents in there but frick it, thinking out loud
I think Gerrard leaving will be such a good thing for this squad and the future. Rodgers has done better than I expected in not forcing him into every game, but you can still tell he feels like he owes him something which has handcuffed him and totally changed how effective we could be.
That, in this year just needs to be over with. There was a cloud over his head all year. Sturridge's poor health (though that's not unusual), Sterling's contract issues, everyone trying to prove their worth post Suarez, Rodgers trying to be so innovative and the tactical genius with the different formations has made him even more rigid and stubborn than usual playing guys all out of position.
Biggest worry I have is just the transfers and buying. Because I think we're still not far off of consistent top 4 finishes, and just a few smart buys would go a long way for us IMO. But yea, still not so sure about if that'll happen.
ETA - yea there was some tangents in there but frick it, thinking out loud
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 7:04 pm
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:47 pm to TheZaba
I just think Klopp, if he wants to come, is a no brainer... He's achieved at a much higher level than BR, IMO...
He has had injuries and many of his best players poached from him the last 4 or so years running...
I don't think we drop BR unless we have a very capable (proven) manager in place to take over... No projects..
Like I said, for all his good qualities, he has some glaring weaknesses... Besides his issues in the transfer market, the way his sides seem to collapse miserably so far in the big Title/cup/top 4/European matches, leaves such a bad taste..
He has had injuries and many of his best players poached from him the last 4 or so years running...
I don't think we drop BR unless we have a very capable (proven) manager in place to take over... No projects..
Like I said, for all his good qualities, he has some glaring weaknesses... Besides his issues in the transfer market, the way his sides seem to collapse miserably so far in the big Title/cup/top 4/European matches, leaves such a bad taste..
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:24 pm to TFTC
Are transfers all BR, or is the committee keeping a stranglehold on that responsibility?
I am more worried about whether the transfers last year were on him or the committee...
I can't help but think he wanted other people to play his style of soccer. I like him, and he HAS shown tactical brilliance, so to me the transfer window is the make or break issue.
If they are on him, he needs to go. If not, keep him and drop the committee (fat chance).
I am more worried about whether the transfers last year were on him or the committee...
I can't help but think he wanted other people to play his style of soccer. I like him, and he HAS shown tactical brilliance, so to me the transfer window is the make or break issue.
If they are on him, he needs to go. If not, keep him and drop the committee (fat chance).
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:42 pm to DByrd2
In some cases, I think it's obvious the players that have BRs fingerprints all over them (at least initially)
Lallana is a given... Lovren seems to be too... No other player would have been given so much time to try and prove himself given how awful he was.. I'm guessing Lambert too (how quickly he was signed)...
I don't know how much say he had in Moreno, Can or Markovic... All three of those I think are going to be good, if not ready for prime time this past season... Balo clearly isn't a player he really wanted..
Lallana is a given... Lovren seems to be too... No other player would have been given so much time to try and prove himself given how awful he was.. I'm guessing Lambert too (how quickly he was signed)...
I don't know how much say he had in Moreno, Can or Markovic... All three of those I think are going to be good, if not ready for prime time this past season... Balo clearly isn't a player he really wanted..
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:53 pm to TFTC
And that is what I am saying, in part. I feel like giving Lovren all that money, they don't want to just waste him away. I get the feeling Rodgers is being controlled by the management as far as who he plays. As far as the committee goes... I don't like that approach. Put the responsibility on one man's shoulders and fire him if he bombs. Don't make a committee, cause if it doesn't work, you can't do shite but find replacements to form a new one. A talent committee has failure written all over it.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 8:56 pm to TFTC
Bottom line is we've spent over £200mm (gross) since he's been here (3 years).. we should be better than what we are...
And I realize how hard it was going to be, to replace Suarez... But £75mm should have bought you three first team players.. but when all are healthy, we may have gotten one starter out of that with Moreno... And he's still green...
And I realize how hard it was going to be, to replace Suarez... But £75mm should have bought you three first team players.. but when all are healthy, we may have gotten one starter out of that with Moreno... And he's still green...
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:00 pm to TFTC
I was saying Lovren was Rodgers choice, that's why he was given so much time... I think the starting 11 is all Rodgers decisions...
Many managers work with a director of football, who is largely responsible for transfers.. Very few have total say in the matter..
Many managers work with a director of football, who is largely responsible for transfers.. Very few have total say in the matter..
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:12 pm to TFTC
I think Liverpool would have an excellent chance to get Klopp if they pursued him.
In the long thread about him stepping down here, I was saying that I think he's a much better fit for a side that's not too filled established 27-32 yo superstars.
If there's a question about Klopp it may be more that his style demands a lot of 21-24 year olds and that he doesn't seem to have much of a plan B when top players are in the system for 5 or 6 seasons, and maybe getting a step slow in the press, either due to physical or mental fatigue.
Who knows what he's thinking but his comments on stepping down ("no longer being a perfect fit at Dortmund" etc) may hint that he's more interested in building a young team than "tinkering" tactically with one full of 27-30 year olds.
I don't watch Liverpool a lot but my impression is that it wouldn't require nearly the roster over haul for him to begin to employ his system as it would at some other clubs that could be possible landing spots.
My warning would be that he may feel Lovren's a perfect stylistic fit for his backline.
In the long thread about him stepping down here, I was saying that I think he's a much better fit for a side that's not too filled established 27-32 yo superstars.
If there's a question about Klopp it may be more that his style demands a lot of 21-24 year olds and that he doesn't seem to have much of a plan B when top players are in the system for 5 or 6 seasons, and maybe getting a step slow in the press, either due to physical or mental fatigue.
Who knows what he's thinking but his comments on stepping down ("no longer being a perfect fit at Dortmund" etc) may hint that he's more interested in building a young team than "tinkering" tactically with one full of 27-30 year olds.
I don't watch Liverpool a lot but my impression is that it wouldn't require nearly the roster over haul for him to begin to employ his system as it would at some other clubs that could be possible landing spots.
My warning would be that he may feel Lovren's a perfect stylistic fit for his backline.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:21 pm to wm72
I think there is a strong nucleus of young talent... And I'd be happy for him to bring Reus and Gundogan (they can keep Hummels)
Edit: I said awhile back BR may not be around long enough to see this youth come good... He needed ready made guys this season... In theory, the Saints three should have been the guys...
Edit: I said awhile back BR may not be around long enough to see this youth come good... He needed ready made guys this season... In theory, the Saints three should have been the guys...
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:38 pm to TFTC
Yeah, Liverpool certainly seems to be a lot of younger guys that could fit his style.
It's not that Klopp's system demands such a different type player than what Liverpool did much of last year.
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And I'd be happy for him to bring Reus and Gundogan (they can keep Hummels)
Reus without doubt. However, it may be best that Gundogan as well as Hummels part company with that extreme of a pressing style. They've been among the main ones that have seemed a step behind in the higher profile matches I've seen.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:50 pm to wm72
I like Gundogan, but in all seriousness, we need more of a defensive midfielder for the price he'd cost us... I doubt we could afford both... I'm guessing he'd be in the £25mm range...
I'd take RN (not gonna attempt to spell his name) off your hands... Though, I'm not sure if he's a DM or more of a "tough" B2B type...
I'd take RN (not gonna attempt to spell his name) off your hands... Though, I'm not sure if he's a DM or more of a "tough" B2B type...
Posted on 4/19/15 at 9:50 pm to TFTC
Klopp will want total say. May be the only thing he'll have between him and FSG.
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:19 pm to TFTC
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I'd take RN (not gonna attempt to spell his name) off your hands... Though, I'm not sure if he's a DM or more of a "tough" B2B type...
Radja Nainggollan. Radja's best by far when simply deployed as a box to box heat seeking missile.
He's been used in front of the defense in our ineffective 4-2-4-0 formation but defensive discipline detracts from what he's best at which is simply that I would bet on him against any player in the world in coming out of the scramble with a 50-50 ball four times out of five, maybe 3 of 5 against Vidal.
He'd be perfect for Klopp.
I doubt the club wants to sell him but his status is still a bit up in the air since Roma bought half of him from Cagliari and the clubs seemed to be a long way apart in agreeing to amount for the other half since his value has risen so much since joining Roma.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:28 pm to wm72
Just gimme Pjanic instead.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:58 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Just gimme Pjanic instead.
I hope he stays in Rome for a long time. Guess you never know though. He's been really overworked this year with Strootman, DDR and Keita injuries.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 3:04 am to BleedPurpleGold
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As for Klopp, I think we have a much better shot at him than people give us credit for. The guy is a loon - in a good way. In a way that would make LFC much more appealing than the likes of City. As TFTC said, the vets are all on their way out. We have a load of promising young talent. The new stadium on the way with owners who mirror much of Klopp's vision. A club that is in desperate need for a "project." He's already shown disdain for clubs like Bayern (and let be honest - Bayern is run much more respectably than City).
Clubs like City would be a disaster for Klopp. He needs strong fan support. patient ownership and a club willing to give youth a chance.
United,Liverpool and Arsenal are the only three that would work. With West Ham being a darkhorse
Dunno if this is true or not but I read BR is the first Liverpool manager not to win a trophy in his first 3 years since the late 50's.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 3:47 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 7:48 am to TheZaba
I don't think its all doom and gloom. But there are issues. 3 years in - no trophies. Mass amounts of wasted transfer funds. Continued failure in big games. Hard questions must be asked of Rodgers. We've been very patient - he's been in 11 total competitions now and exceeded expectations in exactly 1. And possibly only met or exceeded expectations in 1.
It's year three and we still must learn how to play in big games? This isn't college football with continued roster turnaround. You have the clubs legend as captain - the lack of big game result and subsequent coach speak are bull$#!+.
No one is saying to drop him and then figure out the next guy. But if a guy like klopp is willing to come, you have to consider it.
Transfers are a continue problem - and that really needs to be figured out. We don't have the luxury of a city or Chelsea to buy guys that don't turn out. We have wasted 22 million pounds (including wages)or so on a part-time sub (Balo), and penty more on underperforming players that either sucked or couldn't start half of the time even when healthy.
It's year three and we still must learn how to play in big games? This isn't college football with continued roster turnaround. You have the clubs legend as captain - the lack of big game result and subsequent coach speak are bull$#!+.
No one is saying to drop him and then figure out the next guy. But if a guy like klopp is willing to come, you have to consider it.
Transfers are a continue problem - and that really needs to be figured out. We don't have the luxury of a city or Chelsea to buy guys that don't turn out. We have wasted 22 million pounds (including wages)or so on a part-time sub (Balo), and penty more on underperforming players that either sucked or couldn't start half of the time even when healthy.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:06 am to BleedPurpleGold
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I'm so glad Gerrard is almost gone. His performance today was absolutely shocking. Hell the entire outfield was absolutely shocking. Never have I seen such a lack of passion from a Liverpool squad since Woy was at the helm.
bruh
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Restored to the starting line-up after serving a three-match suspension, he could have been his side’s saviour again in the dying stages but his header was cleared off the line by Kieran Richardson.
And Rodgers was full of praise for his captain, claiming his performance was excellent.
"Is it a shame? Absolutely," Rodgers added. "I think he was doing everything he possibly could today to help the team.
"I thought he was excellent, collectively we did not perform well enough."
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:08 am to Tigerstark
I'm not sure if I want to part from Rodgers but his lack of self awareness is getting borderline patronizing.
He should have called yesterday like it is and he's really beginning to piss a lot of people off with his "excellents" and "fantastics".
I'm just sick of not winning jack shite and looking totally inept everytime something serious is on the line.
Steven Gerrard is a legend, but holy shite, talk about a nightmare send off. He has failed in every facet whatsoever this season. He should have left after the "slip" last season. It's sad really.
He should have called yesterday like it is and he's really beginning to piss a lot of people off with his "excellents" and "fantastics".
I'm just sick of not winning jack shite and looking totally inept everytime something serious is on the line.
Steven Gerrard is a legend, but holy shite, talk about a nightmare send off. He has failed in every facet whatsoever this season. He should have left after the "slip" last season. It's sad really.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:57 am to STLhog
I said Gerrard played terrible, but it really was just the second half mostly. He had that header on point in the second half, but that defender made the move from the other post because it was wide the hell open and Gerrard saw it. Stevie played REALLY well in the first half. I thought He should have been the one subbed by Balo, however. This entire season, Gerrard has only been good for about a half game. I guess Rogers leaves him in hoping for moments like that header, but obviously the score to go with.
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