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3 Point Rule

Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:53 pm
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
4781 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:53 pm
I live in Arkansas but I go back to hunt in Louisiana a good bit because that is where our family lease is. I know there are exceptions to the rule but it seems like the hunting is a lot better here in Arkansas and the folks I talk to credit the 3 point rule. Has Louisiana ever considered this? My uncles and others on our lease drive me nuts because they will drop a spike before they will shoot a doe. Terrible management.
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3406 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:54 pm to
I wish Louisiana would go to Mississippi rules.
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2128 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:05 pm to
I like mississippi's rules and we take it even further, 8pt or better and bucks must weigh at least 160. You can shoot a six or seven point but it has to weigh 180. My dad's lease in la uses the three point rule but they don't use a spread rule and every basket rack 5 and 6 point that steps out gets blasted. I keep telling him they will never kill nice deer with those rules.
Posted by dat yat
Chef Pass
Member since Jun 2011
4301 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:07 pm to
I hunt a piney section of southeast AR and there are way more deer there than in the piney woods of southeast MS. If our club could teach me and a couple others to tell the difference between a button and a doe (as well as count to three a little better); we could really have a great herd.

The three point rule is better than no rule at all, but minimum spread rule (like MS has) may work better to keep young bucks alive another year.
Posted by KingRanch
The Ranch
Member since Mar 2012
61590 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:08 pm to
Weight is a stupid thing to consider
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:12 pm to
I'd like to get a group of like-minded folks together and use a common sense rule. Don't shoot young bucks.

Or, you get one buck per year. After that, everyone you kill better be mounted.
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2128 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:13 pm to
I think the weight rule is just to stay in back of people's minds to shoot older deer. I guess it's easier to guess a weight than an age for most people.
Posted by dat yat
Chef Pass
Member since Jun 2011
4301 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:20 pm to
quote:

Don't shoot young bucks....one buck per year. After that, everyone you kill better be mounted.


That makes a lot of sense.
I think most antler regs are trying to get hunters to pass on young bucks; but they have different definitions of young.
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3406 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:31 pm to
I agree the weight rule is dumb. Go read up on the 150" 145 or 150 pound deer killed off the big black a couple years ago. I've seen plenty 5 year old bucks that only weigh 160 pounds and plenty 3.5 year old deer over 200. The genetics and nutrition play a huge role. I think the 3 point rule is better then no rule, but minimum spread or main beam length is best.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:32 pm to
I've definitely blasted a button buck or two before. No way to tell past 75 yards
Posted by MillerMan
West U, Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2010
6512 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

I've definitely blasted a button buck or two before. No way to tell past 75 yards


We wait to shoot a lot of our does until the end of the season for this reason. If you have good enough binocs at the end of January, you can tell.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:42 pm to
I've seen all types of different management practices and discovered one thing. If you have to force management it won't work.

You have to have people that want mature bucks to get big bucks. Not the guys that watch the outdoor channel and talk a big game.
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2128 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:45 pm to
The weight rule was the first I ever heard of when I joined but it seems to work. Rarely does anyone kill a questionable buck. If someone kills a 150" buck and it didn't make the weight I'm sure an exception would be made.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16168 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

I've definitely blasted a button buck or two before. No way to tell past 75 yards


Good point. If I'm having trouble judging size, I'll wait till another deer steps out to see if one is bigger than the other.
Posted by Buttoncollector
S'boro
Member since Jun 2011
576 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

Good point. If I'm having trouble judging size, I'll wait till another deer steps out to see if one is bigger than the other.


Buttons always walk out first baw....BOOM BOOM
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:35 pm to
A few years back I rolled a doe and a button buck within 2 minutes of each other. All I could say when I got back to the camp was "Oops, my bad"

Longest shots I have ever taken with my 30/30, and they were around 125 yards
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted by Raz4back
Member since Mar 2011
3950 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

I've definitely blasted a button buck or two before. No way to tell past 75 yards


Don't shoot an antlerless deer that's by itself. More often than not it's going to be a button buck.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:39 pm
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:59 pm to
min spread rule is a bitch.

I have 5.5 year old buck here that clearly is mature. he may go 13" inside spread. His rack is tall and narrow and he is only passing on those tall and narrow genes with each year we avoid shooting due to the law.


On the other hand we had a really nice buck last year that was 2.5 by camera footage over the past two years. He was a symmetrical 10 with big brows and was at least 18" wide. He was clearly young and lean but you guessed it, a neighbor shot his arse and posted pics of his proud trophy. Legal yes. Good management no.



So min spread restrictions in my mind only kill off the desirable wide bucks and leave behind the narrow less desirable bucks to reproduce. If you want to enforce any law it should be a if/then law.

min inside spread of x
if you kill a buck less than x then it must be x years old by dental aging
if it does not meet that age then you must be able to prove an ailment that permitted taking him out of the herd for management reasons.
Posted by Raz4back
Member since Mar 2011
3950 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

min spread rule is a bitch.


A lot of the WMAs in Arkansas have gone to an either/or rule for spread/beam length. In the more fertile regions it's 15" spread OR 18" beam length. In the piney woods it's 12" spread OR 15" beam. So far it seems to be working well.

Any antler restrictions are going to allow for people to kill the superior bucks of a fawn crop before they are mature, but I guess it's better than nothing
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 11:17 pm
Posted by yumahog
Independence, Missouri
Member since Jun 2012
803 posts
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:28 am to
When I lived in Arkansas I hunted in S.E. Arkansas in Wilmar. I dropped what I thought was a doe about 75 yards next to a feeder. I walked up and looked and ill be damned if it didn't have spikes right at an inch. Scared me for a minute.
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